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Title: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: swindle on March 11, 2014, 09:08:26 pm
I'm a plumber/gassfitter by trade (qualified) and have been working at Harvey Norman for the last 2 years as their technician (more like resetting fuckwits email passwords and baby sitting morons). There is some little technical work to it, but nothing aspiring. Just basic level trouble shooting.

I don't really want to go back to the trade. Body destroying dangerous work.

I don't want to work at Harvey Norman because of the following; It's embarrassing, terrible pay, outdated business model, nothing to learn, no training, nothing to internally aspire to, no fun, over worked, customers in a place like that are horrible, horrible closed minded superiors, ridiculous and narrow minded egos.

At this point, with a 7 year old daughter in Wellington who I love and do not want to leave, I'm feeling like I have very VERY limited options to do anything other than idiot work.

Any advice/job offers welcome.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: PrinceTuiTeka on March 11, 2014, 09:15:53 pm
Any further education appeal to you? Maybe a part time qualification if you cant afford to leave full time work, or a full time qual and part time work if you can afford it.
Title: Courier in Wellington
Post by: Tiwaking! on March 11, 2014, 09:16:13 pm
Have you ever considered becoming a Courier? A Courier in Wellington is a pretty good job if you know your way around!
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: swindle on March 11, 2014, 09:19:48 pm
Any further education appeal to you? Maybe a part time qualification if you cant afford to leave full time work, or a full time qual and part time work if you can afford it.

It does appeal. My only issue being that further education would mean I'd be stuck at home for another X amount of years. I'm already 26, and at this rate I'll be living at my parents until I'm 40. It makes me sad. I have various financial obligations with my daughter also, so with the combination of living costs and child costs, further education would mean more debt, less money and being stuck for longer.

There is the weight that, further education could mean a job I want at money that is good. But with this current economy, these are very much "maybes".

If someone has any light to shed on this? Feel free.
Title: Re: Courier in Wellington
Post by: swindle on March 11, 2014, 09:20:42 pm
Have you ever considered becoming a Courier? A Courier in Wellington is a pretty good job if you know your way around!

I'm sure it is. I'm also sure that being a courier doesn't exactly "open doors" so to speak.

Please, for the love of god, spare the jokes on that one...
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: PrinceTuiTeka on March 11, 2014, 09:23:02 pm
Any further education appeal to you? Maybe a part time qualification if you cant afford to leave full time work, or a full time qual and part time work if you can afford it.

It does appeal. My only issue being that further education would mean I'd be stuck at home for another X amount of years. I'm already 26, and at this rate I'll be living at my parents until I'm 40. It makes me sad. I have various financial obligations with my daughter also, so with the combination of living costs and child costs, further education would mean more debt, less money and being stuck for longer.

There is the weight that, further education could mean a job I want at money that is good. But with this current economy, these are very much "maybes".

If someone has any light to shed on this? Feel free.


I dumped my job at 30 and went back to study. 33 now, almost done with school and have some mint job options in front of me. Best thing ive done tbh.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: swindle on March 11, 2014, 09:24:59 pm
That is interesting. If you don't mind me asking - What did you do before study? And what did you go to study?
Title: Back to School?
Post by: Tiwaking! on March 11, 2014, 09:28:08 pm
I dumped my job at 30 and went back to study. 33 now, almost done with school and have some mint job options in front of me. Best thing ive done tbh.
I did this but ended up with the opposite effect so your mileage may vary
Title: Re: Back to School?
Post by: swindle on March 11, 2014, 09:31:07 pm
I dumped my job at 30 and went back to study. 33 now, almost done with school and have some mint job options in front of me. Best thing ive done tbh.
I did this but ended up with the opposite effect so your mileage may vary

Thus my concern for that move. I'm a single guy, with a 7 year old daughter. Taking time "off" to study will be an amazingly risky option.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: PrinceTuiTeka on March 11, 2014, 09:34:03 pm
Was a scuba instructor, which is pretty cool, until I mention it was in dunedin and therefore fairly cold for 11 out of 12 months. Did that for 8 and 1/2 years.

Studying civil engineering now. Worked as a site engineer/ project manager for a contractor over xmas and just got offered a structural design role at a consultancy through a recommendation by the head of department.

Going back to school a little older means you have a little more drive than the average punter. You know what you're there for and you tend to focus and work hard for it. Well thats what ive found anyway.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: swindle on March 11, 2014, 09:36:05 pm
Going back to school a little older means you have a little more drive than the average punter. You know what you're there for and you tend to focus and work hard for it. Well thats what ive found anyway.

I can believe that. After seeing the way the world can treat a guy, my drive would be intense.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Pyromanik on March 12, 2014, 09:19:06 am
Learn to code.
HTML night class and suddenly new career :>
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Kayne on March 12, 2014, 03:55:28 pm
If you don't mind me asking, how was being a plumber body destroying dangerous work?

From what I've seen on job sites, Plumbers are the laziest fucks out there. It seems they let anyone in these days.
Just kidding m8 <3

Is starting up your own business for residential really out of the question, or is it just really shit work?
He shoots, he scores, again

What about another trade? Or are you just over that kinda work in general

*Read between the lines, before ya'll start neg-repping :(*
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: The Demon Lord on March 12, 2014, 04:56:52 pm
Obligatory

"Become a Gigalo"

Comment

servicing those 40 year old rich Welly house wives
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Lias on March 12, 2014, 09:37:27 pm
I'm assuming you learn some basic welding/brazing skills as a plumber.. maybe retrain as a welder?
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Codex on March 13, 2014, 08:12:07 am
Depends what you have a passion for tbh, because if you go to another job that's just a job then you'll end up in the same boat
Title: Cruising on the Interislander?
Post by: Tiwaking! on March 13, 2014, 10:44:44 am
Depends what you have a passion for tbh, because if you go to another job that's just a job then you'll end up in the same boat

https://www.interislander.co.nz/Interislander-Jobs-and-Careers.aspx (https://www.interislander.co.nz/Interislander-Jobs-and-Careers.aspx)
Interislander ad "Sailing to the Other Side" (1990) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDoMoRRQgSQ#)
edit: font size is limited to 7
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Codex on March 13, 2014, 11:12:52 am
Why do you hurt me this way
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Retardobot on March 13, 2014, 03:43:53 pm
If you don't mind me asking, how was being a plumber body destroying dangerous work?

From what I've seen on job sites, Plumbers are the laziest fucks out there. It seems they let anyone in these days.
Just kidding m8 <3

I have a handful of plumber friends and they are all up at a sparrow's fart.

Crawling under houses (old state houses), working with brass, blow torches, working in ridiculous summer temps. I know a few guys as well who've had to retire early because their respiratory systems have packed in due to constantly inhaling dust and microscopic building materials.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Pitchey on March 13, 2014, 04:08:44 pm
Hmmm, I need some plumbing advice at my place....
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Tandoori on March 13, 2014, 04:36:14 pm
Ask Virtuality.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Growler on March 13, 2014, 04:54:55 pm
you're bound to get an OddBall answer!
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Hmmmgood on March 13, 2014, 05:33:15 pm
Your never to old to re educate your self swindle,i did at 35.

If it does interest you,you might want to pop into a study link and ask as to what your entitled to money wise as you have a daughter.

Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Xenolightning on March 13, 2014, 06:18:56 pm
As Pyro mentioned; Web Dev. There are zero startup costs (assuming you have a pc), tons of free resources, and plenty of examples.

It's something you can learn pretty quickly, branch into a server side language, and then take a 6 month diploma.

Entry level software development may set you at around 45-55K depending on your chosen languages
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: HandofBlood on March 13, 2014, 07:55:44 pm
TBH is sounds more like your workplace environment is making you feel the way you do and it needs to change for you and everyone there (customers included).

Be that guy to set the example about having fun at work and make sure everyone is involved and you will find it will increase productivity resulting in more sales happier staff and customers and who knows maybe you might end up as that go to guy for the head honchos when they see the change you made to the workplace and to their image they might want to see it change for the whole business and you will be their man.

Open doors for yourself and take the people with the same passion/drive with you, the doors will close on the ones that don't want to change with you.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Bounty Hunter on March 13, 2014, 09:30:03 pm
Studying civil engineering now. Worked as a site engineer/ project manager for a contractor over xmas and just got offered a structural design role at a consultancy through a recommendation by the head of department.

Yussss

+1 for engineering.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Codex on March 14, 2014, 08:51:15 am
^I shall join the force too ;D thanks to your convincing haha
Title: These are not the Religions you are looking for
Post by: Tiwaking! on March 14, 2014, 11:47:46 am
^I shall join the force too ;D thanks to your convincing haha
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9533167/Jedi-still-believe-in-the-Force-despite-census-snub (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9533167/Jedi-still-believe-in-the-Force-despite-census-snub)
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Jedi still believe in the Force despite census snub

The force is not with us and nor is the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

 Census figures released last week have shone fresh light on Kiwis' religious faith but tens of thousands of responses were rejected because they were not deemed legitimate.

 Among those considered "out of scope" are Jedi and Pastafarians, who profess to be worshippers of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

 After a public campaign in 2001, 53,715 people declared themselves as Jedi in the census, and 20,262 did so in 2006.

 Wellington Jedi Renee Lee said it "sucked" that Jedi were not recorded as followers of a legitimate religion, particularly given it had more devotees than some more accepted faiths.

 "Jedi is definitely a valid thing," she said.

Sorry swindle. Codex is making this way too easy for me
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Pyromanik on March 14, 2014, 12:02:41 pm
As Pyro mentioned; Web Dev. There are zero startup costs (assuming you have a pc), tons of free resources, and plenty of examples.

It's something you can learn pretty quickly, branch into a server side language, and then take a 6 month diploma.

Entry level software development may set you at around 45-55K depending on your chosen languages

And bonus; Wellington is the place to be for it.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: swindle on March 14, 2014, 12:07:21 pm
Would anyone care to point me in the direction of appropriate and valid webdev resources?
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Growler on March 14, 2014, 12:49:43 pm
gonzoxxx dot com has a huge bunch of resources

They may not be that relevant though
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: swindle on March 14, 2014, 12:57:49 pm
Has anyone had any experance with codecademy.com?
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Retardobot on March 14, 2014, 01:49:22 pm
Has anyone had any experance with codecademy.com?

Yep. Was pretty easy to follow.

Would recommend. Just don't know how far it can take you.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: swindle on March 14, 2014, 01:54:38 pm
Has anyone had any experance with codecademy.com?

Yep. Was pretty easy to follow.

Would recommend. Just don't know how far it can take you.

Just did the first lesson :D

I'm now a webmaster and can HTML in my sleep.

Hire me - 6 figures and we can talk.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on March 14, 2014, 03:45:14 pm
Just did the first lesson :D

I'm now a webmaster and can HTML in my sleep.

Hire me - 6 figures and we can talk.

This is all web developers.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Bounty Hunter on March 14, 2014, 03:47:23 pm
Just did the first lesson :D

I'm now a webmaster and can HTML in my sleep.

Hire me - 6 figures and we can talk.

Now make facebook.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: swindle on March 14, 2014, 04:16:04 pm
You don't see stats like this errday,

(http://iforce.co.nz/i/rhvxjx2r.iow.png)
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Kayne on March 14, 2014, 04:38:02 pm
Just make sure you keep practicing / learning otherwise all your efforts will go down the drain.
FUCKIN' BAZINGAAAAAA. okay i'll stop.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: swindle on March 14, 2014, 04:40:59 pm
Just make sure you keep practicing / learning otherwise all your efforts will go down the drain.
FUCKIN' BAZINGAAAAAA. okay i'll stop.

Just going to set myself the challenge to finish every course they offer on the site, as a start.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Kayne on March 14, 2014, 04:44:00 pm
In all seriousness, when I started trying to learn C#, I stopped for a week (I'd probably only been learning for a week too) and my shit memory had forgotten most of what I'd learnt.

And so I gave up

But again, I've got to ask, is plumbing really that dangerous? Or were you just working in some serious industrial sites?
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: swindle on March 14, 2014, 05:26:42 pm
In all seriousness, when I started trying to learn C#, I stopped for a week (I'd probably only been learning for a week too) and my shit memory had forgotten most of what I'd learnt.

And so I gave up

But again, I've got to ask, is plumbing really that dangerous? Or were you just working in some serious industrial sites?

I had my teeth smashed out and a 200KG steel pipe dropped on my knee. Along with all the other accidents I saw happen. I used to work in commercial/industrial. Much more dangerous then residential.

Also, the amount of 60 year olds that can hardly walk/breathe after years of the job taking its toll on your body, no thanks... 
Title: Facebook
Post by: Tiwaking! on March 14, 2014, 06:00:24 pm
Now make facebook.

http://clientsfromhell.net/post/20176743615/client-i-want-you-to-make-me-a-facebook-me-do (http://clientsfromhell.net/post/20176743615/client-i-want-you-to-make-me-a-facebook-me-do)
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March 30, 2012

Client: I want you to make me a facebook.

Me: Do you mean a website facebook’s functionality?

Client: No, just a facebook. I’ve been told having a facebook will help my business.

Me: So you want me to make you a design for your facebook page?

Client: No! Not just a page! Make me a whole facebook.

Me: You can make a facebook account, I’ll assist you with that, and we you can create a page for your business which I will help you design. It’ll appear on Facebook on your customers -

Client: WHO SAID I WANT AN ACCOUNT OR A PAGE, I JUST WANT A FACEBOOK LIKE ALL THE OTHER FACEBOOKS OUT THERE.

I had my teeth smashed out and a 200KG steel pipe dropped on my knee. Along with all the other accidents I saw happen. I used to work in commercial/industrial. Much more dangerous then residential.

Also, the amount of 60 year olds that can hardly walk/breathe after years of the job taking its toll on your body, no thanks...

The last commercial plumber I saw came to my work and spent six hours ankle deep in raw sewerage, so I can believe this.
Just make sure you keep practicing / learning otherwise all your efforts will go down the drain.

Humour is only good when you dont faucet
On a more serious note, why not a translator or a pilot? Or a photo journalist!
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: mycoolcar on March 14, 2014, 08:42:58 pm
I had my teeth smashed out and a 200KG steel pipe dropped on my knee. Along with all the other accidents I saw happen. I used to work in commercial/industrial.

Health and safety is getting pretty serious now. Provided you take a careful approach to work, you can ensure your own safety.

I am 26. I went to uni straight from school and studied geography, eventually graduating with a BSc in Geo. I did geo because I enjoyed it and hoped it could lead me to an enjoyable job. If you enjoy your job you never have to work a day in your life, or something like that. When I finished I was a bit tired of geo, so stayed working where I had been part time during my studies. Eventually I got tired of that for reasons similar to why you don't want to be at Harvey Norman.

I started building, and am now doing a building apprenticeship. It's totally different to what I've done before, and I really enjoy it. It's something I can see myself doing for a long time, and hopefully making decent money out of. The point I am trying to make here is that you need to try a few things till you work out what makes you happy.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on March 14, 2014, 09:33:19 pm
I had my teeth smashed out and a 200KG steel pipe dropped on my knee. Along with all the other accidents I saw happen. I used to work in commercial/industrial. Much more dangerous then residential.

Also, the amount of 60 year olds that can hardly walk/breathe after years of the job taking its toll on your body, no thanks...

The only thing you getting from programming is sore wrists.

And coffee stains!!
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Xenolightning on March 14, 2014, 09:37:19 pm
I had my teeth smashed out and a 200KG steel pipe dropped on my knee. Along with all the other accidents I saw happen. I used to work in commercial/industrial. Much more dangerous then residential.

Also, the amount of 60 year olds that can hardly walk/breathe after years of the job taking its toll on your body, no thanks...

The only thing you getting from programming is sore wrists.

And coffee stains!!

And that weird red callus on your mouse hand.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Bounty Hunter on March 14, 2014, 10:52:05 pm
I had my teeth smashed out and a 200KG steel pipe dropped on my knee. Along with all the other accidents I saw happen. I used to work in commercial/industrial. Much more dangerous then residential.

Also, the amount of 60 year olds that can hardly walk/breathe after years of the job taking its toll on your body, no thanks...

The only thing you getting from programming is sore wrists.

And coffee stains!!

If you get your ergo set up good, and stretch regularly you're pretty sweet.

Next most difficult thing is deciding which album to queue up next.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Baldesto on March 15, 2014, 06:41:45 am
get off your ass and get back on the tools . plumbers up here make a fucking fortune . highest paid of all the trades and even better if you are a gas fitter as well. im averaging about 65 hours a week as a builder and i have to deal with plumbers on a weekly basis . im surprised half them don't turn up on site in a Porsche .....
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: toofast on March 15, 2014, 11:04:13 am
get off your ass and get back on the tools . plumbers up here make a fucking fortune . highest paid of all the trades and even better if you are a gas fitter as well. im averaging about 65 hours a week as a builder and i have to deal with plumbers on a weekly basis . im surprised half them don't turn up on site in a Porsche .....

I always told welders pocket the most cash among the tradies.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: swindle on March 15, 2014, 11:26:10 am
get off your ass and get back on the tools . plumbers up here make a fucking fortune . highest paid of all the trades and even better if you are a gas fitter as well. im averaging about 65 hours a week as a builder and i have to deal with plumbers on a weekly basis . im surprised half them don't turn up on site in a Porsche .....

I always told welders pocket the most cash among the tradies.

It's the same as any other industry tbh.

Know the right people, make the right money.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Pyromanik on March 15, 2014, 12:44:00 pm
I had my teeth smashed out and a 200KG steel pipe dropped on my knee. Along with all the other accidents I saw happen. I used to work in commercial/industrial. Much more dangerous then residential.

Also, the amount of 60 year olds that can hardly walk/breathe after years of the job taking its toll on your body, no thanks...

The only thing you getting from programming is sore wrists.

And coffee stains!!

And that weird red callus on your mouse hand.

On the outside edge of the underside of your wrist, amirite?

/me has piano teacher-esque hauntings of a voice saying "LIFT YOUR WRISTS, YOU'RE HOLDING IT WRONG"


In all seriousness though, the other downside to office work is that you get fat real easy because no physical movement :(
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: swindle on March 15, 2014, 12:47:30 pm
Fucking jesus man. HTML and CSS.

Intense.

For someone who has never played with it/tried actually using it before. Pretty cool though how that all works.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Pyromanik on March 15, 2014, 12:51:38 pm
Just did the first lesson :D

I'm now a webmaster and can HTML in my sleep.

Hire me - 6 figures and we can talk.

This is all web developers.

That was half my jibe of my suggestion. It doesn't take much to be better than 80% of those already out there.

Speaking of HTML+CSS, who fucked up the shit out of the new/edit post screen?
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Pyromanik on March 15, 2014, 12:56:17 pm
Fucking jesus man. HTML and CSS.

Intense.

For someone who has never played with it/tried actually using it before. Pretty cool though how that all works.

Yeah. They're neat little beasties.
But it's important to remember they're declaritive, and should be treated as such.

Declaritive means there's no real logic in there, not "if this then do this, otherwise do something else" sorta business. For that you have Javascript and server side scripting languages (like PHP).

Get into SilverStripe (probably a bit deep to start at PHP just yet) and you'll be in the realm of every government department, as that's what the CWP runs on. If you can manage to do stuff with SS, you could probably find work pretty easy in Wellington.

Just remember. Coding isn't hard. It's just logic in a specific syntax. Just gotta stick at it until you're comfortable.
Then you can get into more advanced stuff like patterns, etc. But don't worry about that yet.

The important thing is whether or not you enjoy it :)

You're still building stuff, it's just more virtual with a different set of obstacles (eg. computer representation of a problem instead of physics getting in the way of the latest neat architecture thing).
So with a good mind and a passion for building shit, you'll go far. So long as you enjoy it :>
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: swindle on March 15, 2014, 01:31:12 pm
I am thoroughly enjoying it so far :)

Just a little overwhelming when you think "Ah! I see how that works, got it", and then the next page it's like "Now do this and this and this"... And my brain is all "wait, what did i just do to do that?" Haha, I guess its all just repetition.

I figure HTML/CSS is a good starting point.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Bounty Hunter on March 15, 2014, 01:44:16 pm

Just remember. Coding isn't hard. It's just logic in a specific syntax. Just gotta stick at it until you're comfortable.
Then you can get into more advanced stuff like patterns, etc. But don't worry about that yet.


This. So this.

Also google.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: swindle on March 15, 2014, 03:21:02 pm
First real wall I've hit... I can't quite follow this...

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Remember, you can reach an element that is a child of another element like this:

div div p { /* Some CSS */ }

where in this case, we'd be grabbing any <p> that is nested somewhere inside a <div> that is nested somewhere inside another <div>. If you want to grab direct children—that is, an element that is directly nested inside another element, with no elements in between—you can use the > symbol, like so:

div > p { /* Some CSS */ }

This only grabs <p>s that are nested directly inside of <div>s; it won't grab any paragraphs that are, say, nested inside lists that are in turn nested inside <div>s.

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<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
   <head>
      <link type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" href="stylesheet.css"/>
      <title>Ultimate Text Challenge</title>
   </head>
   <body>
      <p>Introduction: Cascading with CSS</p>
      <div>
         <p>Synopsis: When you set a property of a selector like 'p' to a certain value, that value applies to <em>all</em> p tags.
         If, however, you change that same property to a different value for a more specific instance of p,
         that change will <em>override</em> the 'general rule'.
         </p>
         <ul>
            <li><p>If you say p { font-family: Garamond}, all 'p's will have the font Garamond.</p></li>
            <li><p>BUT if you say li p {font-family: Verdana}, 'p's outside of 'li's will be
                  in Garamond, and 'p's INSIDE 'li's will be in Verdana.
            </p></li>
            <li><p>The more specific your selectors are, the higher importance CSS gives to the styling you apply!</p></li>
         </ul>
      </div>
      <p>Summary: Greater specificity makes CSS prioritize that particular styling.</p>
   </body>
</html>

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/*Add your CSS below!*/
p {
    font-family: Garamond;
}

body p {
    font-weight: bold;
}

ul li {
    color: #000000;
}

li p {
    text-decoration: underline;
    color: #00000;
}


div p {
    color: #7ac5cd;
}

...That CSS is all wrong, right?

It's telling me to do this,

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Make all <p> tags have a font-family of Garamond. (Do NOT use the universal selector for this! There's a better way; see the Hint for help.)

Make the introduction paragraph and the summary paragraph have a font-weight of bold (this is a new property for you, but it works just like the others you've learned).

Make the synopsis paragraph have the color #7AC5CD.

Make the paragraphs in the unordered list have the color #000000 and text-decoration underline.

The error I get is

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Oops, try again. Did you remember to make the paragraphs inside <li> tags have color #000000;?

But I thought

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li p {
    text-decoration: underline;
    color: #00000;

Was that?
Title: Your competition is - NCEA New Zealand Students
Post by: Tiwaking! on March 15, 2014, 03:37:14 pm
Just did the first lesson :D

I'm now a webmaster and can HTML in my sleep.

Hire me - 6 figures and we can talk.

This is all web developers.

That was half my jibe of my suggestion. It doesn't take much to be better than 80% of those already out there.
I used to teach HTML 5 and CSS
After two days swindle is doing better than 80% of my class did after six months
edit:
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Make the paragraphs in the unordered list have the color #000000 and text-decoration underline.

The error I get is

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Oops, try again. Did you remember to make the paragraphs inside <li> tags have color #000000;?

But I thought

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li p {
    text-decoration: underline;
    color: #00000;

Was that?
It requires SIX (6) zeroes. you only have five. When in doubt: Cut and Paste requested variables :)
Oh yeah, and ALWAYS Draw before you make a Wepbage. The 20% of students who did well had already drawn up a picture of what they wanted, and even if their page didnt work properly it was easy to fix because the location of the problems were easy to find from the picture.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: swindle on March 15, 2014, 04:24:18 pm
It's still not working :(

i don't understand this > here.

So why would you "div > p" and not just "div p"? It's selecting something inside something, right?
Title: CSS Annoyances
Post by: Tiwaking! on March 15, 2014, 04:40:31 pm
It's still not working :(

i don't understand this > here.

So why would you "div > p" and not just "div p"? It's selecting something inside something, right?
It is a shortcut method that lets you access the first nested element directly.
Basically means:
"For any <div> find first <p> as long as there are no other elements in between"
for example: <div><p>this is a paragraph</p></div>
Would be affected by the stylesheet BUT
<div><b><p>this is a paragraph</p></b></div>
Would not be
I have never used it. It is stupid

And I am not used to seeing stylesheets without classes. Classes make life easier

edit: Incidentally
Code: [Select]
ul li p {
    text-decoration: underline;
    color: #000000;
}
But that is getting really messy (screenshot is from your original code)
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Zarkov on March 15, 2014, 05:31:43 pm
FFS Swindle, you're a plumber not some kind of computer geek.

Only people like Spacemonkey make a decent living doing coding and stuff.

Stick to what you know, or become a drainlayer or something.

You're too fucking dumb to start computating.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Retardobot on March 15, 2014, 06:00:18 pm
Zarkov, with the blatant troll.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: swindle on March 15, 2014, 06:15:43 pm
FFS Swindle, you're a plumber not some kind of computer geek.

Only people like Spacemonkey make a decent living doing coding and stuff.

Stick to what you know, or become a drainlayer or something.

You're too fucking dumb to start computating.

*throws macbook out window*
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: swindle on March 15, 2014, 06:17:36 pm
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Make the introduction paragraph and the summary paragraph have a font-weight of bold

I need the CSS syntax(is that the right word?) for thae above, using this -

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<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
   <head>
      <link type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" href="stylesheet.css"/>
      <title>Ultimate Text Challenge</title>
   </head>
   <body>
      <p>Introduction: Cascading with CSS</p>
      <div>
         <p>Synopsis: When you set a property of a selector like 'p' to a certain value, that value applies to <em>all</em> p tags.
         If, however, you change that same property to a different value for a more specific instance of p,
         that change will <em>override</em> the 'general rule'.
         </p>
         <ul>
            <li><p>If you say p { font-family: Garamond}, all 'p's will have the font Garamond.</p></li>
            <li><p>BUT if you say li p {font-family: Verdana}, 'p's outside of 'li's will be
                  in Garamond, and 'p's INSIDE 'li's will be in Verdana.
            </p></li>
            <li><p>The more specific your selectors are, the higher importance CSS gives to the styling you apply!</p></li>
         </ul>
      </div>
      <p>Summary: Greater specificity makes CSS prioritize that particular styling.</p>
   </body>
</html>

Anyone wanna help me out here? xoxo
Title: Reddit :\
Post by: Tiwaking! on March 15, 2014, 06:44:11 pm
div > p{
font-weight: bold;
color: #770000;
}

Makes the introduction paragraph red.

p{
font-weight: bold;
color: #770000;
}
Makes the summary paragraph red
*throws macbook out window*
This and reddit make me wonder why I am helping you at all
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Plasma on March 15, 2014, 08:52:33 pm
Wrote me a chrome extension/app thingy today, feel awesome. Even if it took me several hours to figure out how to open a new window with no title bar and transparent.

Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Pyromanik on March 15, 2014, 08:56:34 pm
I figure HTML/CSS is a good starting point.

It is.
There are people who only do this. 'front end devs' they call themselves.
About everything a user sees and interacts with directly is in this realm. How it works in the background is for someone else. Eg. while a designer says 'black with logo at the top, then 50 shades of (bright) grey beneath it, with a sprinkling of red for sex appeal", the front end dev is the one that turns the design into what we see here.

The back end bit is the one that handles the actual posting, threads, etc. More 'proper' (traditional - logic) based programming.

Front end is easy to do, but requires a bit of not being stupid to master. Thus it's easy to learn, and plenty of jobs. And if you get the second half of that sentence (not being stupid), you'll do well. As I say, there are a shit load of folk out there doing it 'so it works', not so it works well. If you can get the well part in there, you'll be set :)
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Pyromanik on March 15, 2014, 09:05:23 pm
It's still not working :(

i don't understand this > here.

So why would you "div > p" and not just "div p"? It's selecting something inside something, right?


many moons ago when I was learning, this page helped catapult me from "oh yup, I can do this..." to "Fuckoff, I got this."
It's most fantastic because it has pictures.
An HTML document forms a 'tree' structure, and selectors are easier to understand if you can visualise this. Which this page does awesomely.
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/selectutorial/ (http://css.maxdesign.com.au/selectutorial/)

And don't worry, I've taught trained professionals about the more 'advanced' selectors (such as > and + ) before.
(and the answer is http://css.maxdesign.com.au/selectutorial/selectors_child.htm (http://css.maxdesign.com.au/selectutorial/selectors_child.htm) )

So the only thing to watch out for there is (basically nothing because backwards compatibility) that the page is old, and is geared around CSS 2.1, we're up to 3 now... but 3 basically adds stuff, not so much changing or removing stuff that already worked. So you'll be right :>
The basics are all the same :D
Title: Classes - Just use Classes
Post by: Tiwaking! on March 15, 2014, 09:09:34 pm
And don't worry, I've taught trained professionals about the more 'advanced' selectors (such as > and + ) before.
(and the answer is [url]http://css.maxdesign.com.au/selectutorial/selectors_child.htm[/url] ([url]http://css.maxdesign.com.au/selectutorial/selectors_child.htm[/url]) )
If anyone told me to use those selectors I would probably punch them for being so fscking stupid
Pun intended
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Pyromanik on March 15, 2014, 09:11:29 pm
Ahh Twia.
In the real world they're very helpful. Probably not so useful with Java :P

But you do raise a valid point. If one finds themselves typing out something like
div div > p span strong.ohyeah {...}
Then yeah, selector structure for the CSS document should probably be rearranged to make sense.
Lest one find themselves in an !important life lesson (aka mess).

Classes are handy, sure. But like ID selectors they should not be slapped around all over the show, or you'll end up with some specificity conflicts or massive selector lines to override something equally as unsightly, etc.

But that's experience talking.
At the moment it's just important that swindle learns what's out there, what it means, what it's for, how to use it & have fun. Learning about all the other stuff like structure and 'patterns' (if that's even a thing with CSS like half the internet seems to claim) can some later.
Otherwise it'd be like going to work as a plumber with every tool except a wrench, or something.
Which would present its own set of problems, which causes frustration, leading to 'this is shit' kinda thinking. If you're gonna give something a go, you gotta know you're experiencing the whole of it so you can judge it soundly :> (unless of course it's extreme shit from the outset, like that time I tried wordderp :/)
Title: Web Design - One Tool does it all
Post by: Tiwaking! on March 15, 2014, 09:17:06 pm
Ahh Twia.
In the real world they're very helpful. Probably not so useful with Java :P

But you do raise a valid point. If one finds themselves typing out something like
div div > p span strong.ohyeah {...}
Then yeah, selector structure for the CSS document should probably be rearranged to make sense.
Lest one find themselves in an !important life lesson (aka mess).
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Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Pyromanik on March 15, 2014, 09:18:39 pm
And lists everything that's wrong with the internet as supported systems.

<img src="NOPE.jpg" alt="wholey fuck nope." />
Title: Today's Wise Quote of the Day
Post by: Tiwaking! on March 15, 2014, 09:42:31 pm
And lists everything that's wrong with the internet as supported systems.

<img src="NOPE.jpg" alt="wholey fuck nope." />
Web Design is like wearing a good pair of plumbers pants

You are only doing it right if you do it half-arsed
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Retardobot on March 16, 2014, 12:18:12 am
Pyro just gets mad at stuff that makes his job looks easy.

That's why he poo poos Wordpress as well.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Pyromanik on March 16, 2014, 12:52:43 am
haha, I know you're trolling, but true fact: wordderp makes my job hard (if I'm forced to use it).
But yeh, web dev (esp. frontend) is a nice cruisy job if you're not braindead.
Title: Re: I need a new job. What are my options?
Post by: Bounty Hunter on March 16, 2014, 01:24:45 am
haha, I know you're trolling, but true fact: wordderp makes my job hard (if I'm forced to use it).
But yeh, web dev (esp. frontend) is a nice cruisy job if you're not braindead.

I hate things that let you do lots of normal things easily, but anything useful or interesting is exponentially more difficult.

You can make a drop down box by clicking and dragging!

You can make the drop down box style a, or style b.

Style a has x functionality. Style b has y functionality.

But I want style a with y functionality....

NO STYLE A HAVE X FUNCTIONAL OTHERWISE FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

Story of my summer.