No, that's just you. Calling Arnifix a ginga-fro and telling him to eat dick, then calling Kill3r a numbnuts. You have thrown the most insults in this thread.

Arnifix is the one to blame as he incited it with the 'idiot' remarks.

There was nothing wrong at all with my response to your post, and yet you didn't even bother to pay any attention to it or give it any acknowledgement whatsoever due to your own arrogance, what a pitiful attitude.

And kill3r just plain is a numbnuts, he never engages in intelligent discussion all he does is moan about evidence or argue about other completely irrelevant, useless crap - it seems he never even bothers to read anything related to the topic he's discussing, he just jumps blindly into an argument throwing around accusations. He's a numbnuts. Plain and simple, and I stand by that opinion until he shows he is capable of participating in an intelligent discussion without resorting to annoying bullshit remarks that serve absolutely no purpose to the discussion at hand.

We have only pointed you out for this, and i believe it's only been me and Arnifix who have pulled you up on it. Stop getting all defensive.

So why is that? You just felt the need to be a dickhead for some random reason? Seems there is a lot of that going on.

as inmotion you said, thats just what you think. How do you know its not similar to earth?

SO IT'S TRUE JUST BECAUSE INMOTION SAID IT? THAT MAKES SENSE.

GO BACK AND READ MY POST NUMBNUTS, WITH THE SOURCE THAT I HAVE HAPPILY PROVIDED FOR YOU THAT EXPLAINS WHY THE PLANET IS NOT AT ALL SIMILAR TO EARTH

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It's a debate, you have to freaking provide sources or you lose. Ever watched or taken part in a debate before ? Probably not.

It's a shame that you see it as some kind of competition. I've already told you why I don't constantly provide a source all the time, most of the time I do my best to if I deem it necessary, and that's not good enough for you then I really couldn't give a toss..

Oh, and btw, i think you can remove yourself from this thread now. The instant you start slinging insults in the form of gutless remarks like that then you instantly relinquish any intelligent upper hand you may of had, either it be with your opponent or the people viewing/reading.

I think it's adequate for an insult to be met with an insult in response, if that's the level we are going to stoop to. And if this is the case, as Arnifix has indicated, then yes I would probably rather not be involved in this thread.

also, I would say that it is in fact you who is the only one being a waste of space in this thread, I responded to your post in a decent manner and you have done nothing but moan about sources. If you think i'm talking a load of made-up codshit, find the evidence to refute my claims instead of having a whinge about it. If you're not even going to bother listening to my point of view or anything I say, why even bother arguing in the first place?

No, you're an idiot. Why should I have to link to a source everytime I say something? I have to go out and find exactly where I read every bit of information everytime I mention something? That would be a major pain in the ass and no-one else does it for obvious reasons, so why should I have to

I may not be 100% correct about the carbon dating thing but from what I have read, no their results are not completely accurate,this would confirm it (assuming this source is credible) obviously it's out of my area of expertise so I can't say anything for sure but my point was not everything scientific is always as accurate as what they make it out to be, due to human error, limits of technology, ect ect. hence why I don't take EVERYTHING I read on the internet or some news article at face value

I'm wasting your time? And you honestly think I give a shit? If it's such a problem for you put me on ignore then cockfag, instead of having a holier-than-thou egotistical wank over yourself.


edit/ ok just noticed the link to the carbon dating article was on some christian website it seems, so it might be biased. But still, I've read the exact same thing in a few different places, that carbon dating is not as accurate as some scientists claim it to be. Meh, it's irrelevant anyway I was just using it as an example.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=450467&in_page_id=1965

10 second google search....

So you instantly believe everything you read in the media or newspaper tabloids? You see, the thing is - they make it sound like it's some sort of amazing discovery when it's just another planet. If you had bothered to look into the information on this planet, something you are accusing me of not doing, you would have found that according to their research the planet is barely anything like Earth at all..

Gliese 581 c is OUTSIDE the habitable zone  No direct evidence has been found for water (an important abundant molecule) to be present, but it is likely not present due to the extremely high irridance at perihelion (see Temperature). Techniques like the one used to measure HD 209458 b may in the future be used to determine the presence of water in the form of vapor in the planet's atmosphere, but only in the rare case of a planet with an orbit aligned so as to transit its star, which Gliese 581 c is not known to do.

So no, it is not at all similar to Earth, and the chance of life developing in that kind of habitat is extremely low if not negligible.

And if their is another planet like ours, with the same climate, water and gravity, then there is nothing stopping that planet being the home to some sort of life-form. I'm constantly hearing about new, habitable planets being discovered through the News.

It needs a lot more than just 'same climate, water and gravity' to be even remotely similar to Earth. And it still comes back to the problem; scientists don't know how life first began - as I gave an example of on the previous page with the quote from Stephen Hawking (and here you are saying that I don't research any of my arguments) we have no idea how the first cell developed into life, or how DNA and RNA came to be, or where that cell came from or how it came to be on Earth. So in order for life to exist on another planet, that mysterious cell would have to miracuously find it's way onto one of these planets somehow and then do whatever it done on Earth to evolve into life. The probability of this happening is extremey low, and therefore it is my opinion that the very first cell of life came to be on Earth for a specific reason. This is merely my opinion however. But it is a very justifiable opinion imo.

Scientists can theorize 'till the cows come home but ultimately they still have no fucking clue how life itself came to be let alone how it would develop on another planet.

Let's say that we did discover life on another planet sometime in the future, what type of life do you think it would be? Do you think it would be a sentient, conscious lifeform capable of awareness and cognitive thought? Or would it just be some kind of basic organism? Would they develop emotions like humans have? What exactly are emotions? Are they just an aspect of evolution, or is there something more to it?

Even if they did find some basic living organism on another planet, I don't think that would disprove God, I'm sure there would be some purpose for those organisms to be there. Only if they found life extremely similar to humans, well then yeah... that would be some weird shit.

Again, you have passed up ACTUAL findings and gone with what YOU THINK.

If you say so

Well, without displaying where you got your info from, then me or anyone else has no other option to think that they are your own words, your "ideas".

The problem I see with constantly citing scientific research and other 'discoveries' is that, how do you know your source is credible? How do you know they didn't make a mistake, or were mislead, or are trying to force their owns views on you? A lot of science is theory, not fact. There are some scientists who vehemently claim to know the precise age of the Earth, through the study of rocks and other minerals. The problem is their methods of examination aren't necessarily 100% accurate -  the tools they use for 'dating' are flawed, and cannot predict the age of something past a certain amount of time, despite their claims that they can merely because it fits in with their explanation of evolution. This is just one example.

So I am inclined to not always take every bit of information I read on the internet or elsewhere at face value, and I am happy that I have the ability to think for myself and develop my own ideas rather than relying constantly on everything someone else says. If I am discussing something based on something I have read I don't feel the need to always cite my source of information unless I deem it necessary, why should I? Just to please you? No-one else links to their source of information every time they mention something, why the hell should I?

Man's ability to think for himself is one of the greatest gifts we have, so I don't understand why you would want to insult me for using this ability..

And again, you say "When it comes down it, no amount of research in the world can even begin to explain the mysteries of life and the universe". How the hell do you know that ? Are you going to be around in the next 500yrs ? Do you somehow know what man will be capable of through your power of "this is what i think, therefor it is".

Ugh, I was saying that no amount of research in the world at this current time can explain those things you mentioned. But in all probability we will never be able to explain these things, if you fail to see why then that's your problem. No matter how far into the future we predict, do you honestly think science will ever be able to explain the existence of the universe, of life, and reality? If you do I think you are kidding yourself. It comes down to: science, and everything it studies, all came from somewhere or something. It's going to be very difficult to explain exactly where that all came from.

There is a reason they call God 'omniscient', because God created science and knows everything there is know to about how everything works, for it is what made everything work in the first place (according to the meaning of the word omniscient)

I'm suprised I've even gone to the effort of responding to you, there is absolutely no point in arguing about who is right and who is wrong, it's a waste of my time and serves no purpose to the progression of the discussion. Scientists can happily admit that there is no way they will ever know certain things, why can't you?

Haha, no, i honestly said that because that's how you come across. I wouldn't of said it if i didn't believe it.

You're a moron then.

Psyche. Why do you insist to base everything you have said in this thread on "what you think" or "what you know" instead of "what is".

You think that humans will never find other life
You think that there are no other planets that can sustain us
You think that we were put on earth for a reason.
You THINK you THINK you THINK.

Errr, it's because those are all things that (currently) cannot be proven either way - by scientists, religion or anyone else. So therefore I am merely expressing my opinion based on what research I have done and various other things I have read and discussed.

I can't say that I KNOW because there is not a single person on this Earth that KNOW's the answer to those questions...

There's nothing wrong with thinking, you should try it some time

Just try and base SOME of your argument on research, then MAYBE some people might start taking you seriously.

I do do plenty of research into various matters, just because I don't necessarily cite my source  of information every single time doesn't mean my opinion or argument isn't based on research. When it comes down it, no amount of research in the world can even begin to explain the mysteries of life and the universe, and these are the things I am particulary more interested in discussing.

The way you present yourself makes you come across as some brainwashed hippie.

That's a load of shit and you know it :disappoin

I'll respond to your post later tonight aswell Ngati, haven't had a chance...

oh grow up already :disappoin

funny that cus the last time i looked the number of known planets was still in the hundreds. so out of possible 250(around 2004 probably more now) planets or so we can tell are not identical to earth. this doesn't rule out life though.

Yeah, KNOWN planets, within our observable distance, and no it doesn't completely rule it out but it's pretty damn unlikely :/ I think that no matter how far man would eventually be able to explore into space, and explore new planets, we would never find any  life 'out there' in the universe, and definately not how it is here.. and that's the way it's meant to be.

plus there are a couple that are close to earths classification.

Which ones are those? terrestrial planets but still nothing like Earth

remember all thats needed for life is water

No, it's a lot more complicated than that, if that were the case scientists would have succeeded in creating life in a laboratory by now, they haven't... Read abiogenesis. All of it.

That plus the fact that Earth just happens to have all the other essential needs for survival of life, photosythensis from the Sun, not too close and not too far but the perfect distance from the Sun, gravity, atmosphere, oxygen ect. ect. and so forth..

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evolution in action!

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could've sworn that's why the thread is called RANDOM images, not FUNNY images. And it is funny, you just suck that's all

what's also interesting is if you answer Yes or No to #1 your answer is based entirely on your own personal belief, or faith, since it cannot be proven either way

i just think people should keep their way of life to themselves and try to force it onto others.

People should be able to live as they see fit, as long as it doesnt break the law, force your beliefs on someone else or encroach on other peoples rights.

^ I think you'll find most Christians, or any religious people for that matter, don't necessarily force their beliefs on anyone maybe just some of the more radical ones..

Are you going to respond to my post on the previous page Philo-sofa?