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General Chat / RELIGION VS SCIENCE:The Ultimate Battle Thread
« on: March 05, 2008, 08:49:16 pm »
sorry to move away from the religion discussion for a moment but..
"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.
Here's Tom with the weather." - Bill Hicks
there's only one thing I can think of that would be more frightening to me than complete non-existence, and that would be if you somehow became trapped in your own consciousness upon death or something. Like, the brain dies, but you're just stuck in your consciousness for eternity, considering scientists don't know everything about the human consciousness it could indeed be a possibility.. but yeah you can say that if you cease to exist upon death, it wouldn't matter or it wouldn't be frightening because you wouldn't exist to experience such thoughts/emotions or whatever, and as some say: You came from nothing, you will go back to nothing. Still scares the everloving shit out of me and I just don't want to consider it, naive perhaps but I don't care
Ressurection? :sly: Are you sure you don't mean reincarnation? If that's what you meant, how do you think that would work? I had this thought the other night, what if when you die.. your consciousness, or your soul or whatever you want to call it (maybe even 'energy' would be the right word) might transfer to someone giving conception in the nearest proximity... or something... seems kinda stupid now that I think about but it seemed like a credible idea at the time :chuckle:
Why do you guys keep mentioning the 'invisible' here, it's getting a bit ridiculous how many times you bring it up. In talking about 'God' we are talking about a completely different concept to any kind of invisible animal or something, can you not understand that? It seems like a very poor argument to use, a cop-out if you will..
Erm, isn't that what you're arguing, that it all just happened due to some inexplicable occurance of complete random chance, or...?
Occam's Razor, sounds like a magic spell out of D&D..
Why, what would it matter?
From what I understand scientists have yet to explain how or why the very first cell made up of RNA done whatever the hell it done to evolve and become all life as we know it? (abiogensis)
I'm sure there are many aspects of evolution that are yet to be proven beyond certainty.
'Grats. I was referring to Kill3r, not you, because I already know he's not a qualified scientist. How is it any different to asking someone if they are religious or whatever?
I think I have a reasonably good grasp on it.
You must have missed this post:
Negative. Not yet anyway, I have yet to read the bible or do any deep research into religion, who knows when I do I might yet still be converted
If the Christian God was indeed the one true God I would probably rather take that chance than not believing in anything at all before I die, ya know? What have I got to lose?
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That having been said I can turn this around - Metaphysics often suggests that you might not actually exist - rather your brain just thinks you do. This is somethign I think is likely true. Do some reasearch into this if you dare and see how scared you become.
There are worse things than death.
"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.
Here's Tom with the weather." - Bill Hicks
there's only one thing I can think of that would be more frightening to me than complete non-existence, and that would be if you somehow became trapped in your own consciousness upon death or something. Like, the brain dies, but you're just stuck in your consciousness for eternity, considering scientists don't know everything about the human consciousness it could indeed be a possibility.. but yeah you can say that if you cease to exist upon death, it wouldn't matter or it wouldn't be frightening because you wouldn't exist to experience such thoughts/emotions or whatever, and as some say: You came from nothing, you will go back to nothing. Still scares the everloving shit out of me and I just don't want to consider it, naive perhaps but I don't care
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I will teach any kids I have logic, along with my values, the rest is for them to figure out. Please stop saying "I obviously" don't know this or that, it's quite untrue - and a little unfair seeing as you don't engage any of the arguments put to you - rather you dismiss them out of hand. As Cobra said, I'm not an undecided on the issue of invisible Giraffe's, nor on God, nor on the idea of being resurrected.
Ressurection? :sly: Are you sure you don't mean reincarnation? If that's what you meant, how do you think that would work? I had this thought the other night, what if when you die.. your consciousness, or your soul or whatever you want to call it (maybe even 'energy' would be the right word) might transfer to someone giving conception in the nearest proximity... or something... seems kinda stupid now that I think about but it seemed like a credible idea at the time :chuckle:
Why do you guys keep mentioning the 'invisible
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Sorry but 'it just happened' is close to magic. You're misapplying Occam's Razor by just inventing an explanation that isn't implied, and saying it's simpler. Again
it isn't logical, it's A) kind of fantastical and B) not implied by anything.
Erm, isn't that what you're arguing, that it all just happened due to some inexplicable occurance of complete random chance, or...?
Occam's Razor, sounds like a magic spell out of D&D..
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So would I, but I'd much rather die being self-honest.
Why, what would it matter?
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Scientifically, it has. If you want to please explain what parts haven't.
From what I understand scientists have yet to explain how or why the very first cell made up of RNA done whatever the hell it done to evolve and become all life as we know it? (abiogensis)
I'm sure there are many aspects of evolution that are yet to be proven beyond certainty.
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im a scientist (well BSc Physics), are you? if not then stop asking people if they are scientists
'Grats. I was referring to Kill3r, not you, because I already know he's not a qualified scientist. How is it any different to asking someone if they are religious or whatever?
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you seem confused about the whole universe thing
I think I have a reasonably good grasp on it.
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you seem confused about science
You must have missed this post:
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Yeah I am interested in science, but I'm not so interested in that I go out of my way to learn everything about it, life is short so what's the point in wasting my life learning everything about science when ultimately it would be pointless to do so? there are more important things in life. I personally find spirituality to be more important than science.
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are you sure your not a christian?
Negative. Not yet anyway, I have yet to read the bible or do any deep research into religion, who knows when I do I might yet still be converted
If the Christian God was indeed the one true God I would probably rather take that chance than not believing in anything at all before I die, ya know? What have I got to lose?
