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Messages - cobra
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« on: July 14, 2012, 02:02:42 pm »
go on....
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« on: July 08, 2012, 11:13:49 pm »
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« on: June 22, 2012, 11:16:46 pm »
I love it when people rage about Muldoon, seeing every single one of his think big projects still runs today, in the black, and have directly employed thousands of people. His debts were at least on tangible things that made returns. What the $#@! have any governments since created ? (And no relabelling/branding/imaging do not count as creations). Kiwibank???
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« on: April 15, 2012, 02:10:53 pm »
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« on: March 03, 2011, 10:29:38 am »
there are no issues for science to explain, the lack of life is constant with the theories.
But if the universe was designed (with people in mind) then god wouldnt need so much universe or could have created a universe teeming with life. I cant understand why, if the universe is designed, it is so empty of life
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« on: March 02, 2011, 09:14:53 pm »
a question for the religious people:
Why are there no other planets with life near (or even far) from earth?, if everything was created by god why was so much stuff created for so little life? surely either more life or less universe would be more consistent with a creator. Creating people in such a lonely universe seems cruel.
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« on: December 19, 2010, 06:29:32 pm »
Cobra, I'm sure non-Christian paedophiles are around. Actually I'm one hundred percent certain as one got me when I was a young boy.
You really do come across as as bigotted as some Christians.
I would venture that paedophilia is a 'Human' dis-ease,not solely Christian.
Heck, pederasty is popular in some non-Christian cultures....
it seems more prevalent in christian culture, i am not stating that all pedophiles are christian but you defeated that straw-man well. To me it seems that a culture that obsesses over sex and pureness is going to lead towards twisted expressions of sexuality. I am probably bigotted against pedophiles and i am ok with that
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« on: December 18, 2010, 04:16:01 pm »
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« on: November 07, 2010, 12:52:55 pm »
The part of the human psyche that religion appeals to is present in all of us. Each of us finds a different way of dealing with the thoughts and feelings that religion addresses. To claim that those who find the answers through a faith in some controlling influence behind the universe, are more likely to have "lower intelligence, commit more crime, and (be) more corrupt" is a long bow to draw and one that would need clear and substantive evidence to support.
plenty of evidence for the intelligence - and understandable reasons for the difference: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6W4M-4TFV93D-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=db2ee09bae0195cc1ecbd026da77245c It is suggested that IQ makes an individual likely to gravitate toward a denomination and level of achievement that best fit his or hers particular level of cognitive complexity. Ontogenetically speaking this means that contemporary denominations are rank ordered by largely hereditary variations in brain efficiency (i.e. IQ). In terms of evolution, modern Atheists are reacting rationally to cognitive and emotional challenges, whereas Liberals and, in particular Dogmatics, still rely on ancient, pre-rational, supernatural and wishful thinking. the crime is backed up by about .21% of the us prison population is atheist, much smaller than the 6-8% of the total us population who are atheist. being religious is not random so it seems natural that it wont be representative of the population as a whole, i dont think it is that challenging to accept that the religious population will have a different make up than atheists - and given the drivers in having a superstitious world view i dont think it is difficult to accept that "scumbags" are over represented in christian populations. corruption: here is the index http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2010/resultshere is the percentage of athiests: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheismcorrelate away
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« on: November 07, 2010, 11:15:49 am »
I think you'll find the percentage of religious scumbags closely mirrors the percentage of scumbags in the general population
for that to be true you would need religious people to be a representative sample, which i don't believe that they are. There is reasonable evidence to suggest that religious people (compared with atheists) have lower intelligence, commit more crime, and are more corrupt. For how ever long this thread has been going we have not yet had one article of a scientist pedo, yet countless christians have been convicted. i guess a lot of people ask themselves "wwjd" and come up with the answer "molest a child"
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« on: September 23, 2010, 05:20:16 pm »
him knowing what you are going to do and letting you do what you want to do, doesn't make him not know what you were going to do or make you do it, choice was still yours even tho god knew you were going to do it.
there can not be choice if there is a god, god created you knowing all the choices you would make, if god wanted you to make different choices he would have created you differently, we are just puppets in gods cruel play
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« on: September 23, 2010, 05:03:30 pm »
and before that?
we were monkeys
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« on: September 22, 2010, 10:47:55 pm »
Imagine a man in a car driving along a narrow country road. He passes a cow and is approaching a bend. On the other side of the bend is a large semi-trailer travelling at high speed on the wrong side of the road. A crash is inevitable. To the driver, approaching the bend, the cow is now in the past, he is experiencing the present, and his hitting the semi-trailer is in the future. Now imagine a pilot in a helicopter above the scene. The pilot can see the cow, the car, and the semi-trailer all at once, so in a sense, what is past, present and future to the driver is all one to the pilot. Furthermore the pilot can see that a crash is inevitable, even though the driver does not know it is going to happen. Does the pilot cause the crash just because he knows it is going to happen? Assuredly not!
and now imagine that this pilot created everything and is all knowing, just because the pilot created a universe in which this crash would happen and could have stopped the crash or even created a universe where the crash would never happen is the pilot to blame, i think not.
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« on: September 20, 2010, 11:52:51 am »
Edmund Burke: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
so you cant see some lady getting beaten and be nuetral about it. ignoring that lady getting beaten is evil.
um.... there is someone beating a lady - can you explain how the person beating the lady is due to the absence of good - because that seems like an evil act to me. also your quote is for evil to triumph, not evil to exist.
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« on: September 06, 2010, 07:47:08 pm »
you can not prove non-existence, non-things can not leave evidence. the God people discuss would leave evidence, he grants wishes and those wishes could be measured - the fact that you can not get this evidence means that that god does not exist
Yea i agree. God is leaving kgs of wishes lying, which we should be able to find.
Like I said in my previous post. if there was a god then there would not be any atheists - there would be evidence and so god would just be accepted
Well given we seem to always find more 'evidence' changing our scientific opinions, you can't really say that.
Not to mention if there was a all powerful god, surely he/she would be capable of hiding his existence 
There will always be things which we don't understand. To write them off, purely on the whim there no evidence where there should be, makes you no better than those that doubted evolution, or the heliocentric model of the world or anyone of the many theories developed as we found more evidence.
what "things" am i writing off?, i am "writing off" no-things. the whole point is there is no evidence, if there was evidence then you would almost have a point
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« on: September 06, 2010, 06:45:21 pm »
i am agnostic on sentient life - there is no evidence but there is no reason for there to be evidence
i dont believe in alien life that interacts with humans - there is no evidence and there is reason for there to be evidence
the god these people are talking about apparently grants wishes and shit - there would be evidence of this space magic
if you are arguing that there might be this irrelevant god that doesn't have an impact on anything, then hey, there might be, but you are talking about a god which is identical in every way to no god
I would argue that there is a difference in saying there is no god and saying that a god could exist but is currently invisible to us, just as there is a difference in saying that there are no aliens and saying aliens could exist but are currently invisible to us. And you can't say definitively that there is no god in much the same way as you can't say definitively there are no aliens.
so you are uncomfortable saying there is 'no anything' - you are open to all crazy things which people can conceive - you are open to the fact that there might be a horse behind you and you are the only one who cant see it? that leprechauns dance in you backyard at night? if it works for you great, but why fill your head with non-sense you can not prove non-existence, non-things can not leave evidence. the God people discuss would leave evidence, he grants wishes and those wishes could be measured - the fact that you can not get this evidence means that that god does not exist
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« on: September 05, 2010, 11:51:11 am »
if there was a god then there would not be any atheists - there would be evidence and so god would just be accepted
Just a question, do you believe that there is another sentient life form that exists on any other planet in the Universe? If so, what evidence do you have?
And if you have no evidence, than surely that means humans are the only sentient life form in the Universe.
i am agnostic on sentient life - there is no evidence but there is no reason for there to be evidence i dont believe in alien life that interacts with humans - there is no evidence and there is reason for there to be evidence the god these people are talking about apparently grants wishes and shit - there would be evidence of this space magic if you are arguing that there might be this irrelevant god that doesn't have an impact on anything, then hey, there might be, but you are talking about a god which is identical in every way to no god
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« on: September 04, 2010, 09:38:41 pm »
Athiests don't believe because they feel its stupid and mindless. and they dont see physical proof of a GOD existing, they see jsut anguish and hurt resulting from religion.
i think most atheists dont believe because there is no reason to believe - like how most people dont believe in leprechauns, santa, tooth fairy etc if there was a god then there would not be any atheists - there would be evidence and so god would just be accepted
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« on: June 19, 2010, 04:55:08 pm »
Reading comments from some people is a really bad idea.
The Hutt Valley is proliferated with trees. It is stupid that people who live in wooden houses and sit on wooden chairs and sleep on wooden beds bemoan saving a tree, albeit an exaggerated 150 year old one. The day a tree means more than people is a sad day for Taita. Well Done to the church and council for vision and progress. People need to stop living in the past.
I wonder if this person knows what trees actually do.
yeah didn't really understand the comments, no doubt written by christians. the whole "The day a tree means more than people is a sad day for Taita", doesn't seem to understand that no people would be harmed if the tree wasn't destroyed
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« on: June 09, 2010, 07:10:44 pm »
stumbled across an interesting essay on the interweb: http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/06/07/the-just-world-fallacy/A giant amount of research has been done since his studies, and most psychologists have come to the same conclusion: You want the world to be fair, so you pretend it is.
“Zick Rubin of Harvard University and Letitia Anne Peplau of UCLA have conducted surveys to examine the characteristics of people with strong beliefs in a just world. They found that people who have a strong tendency to believe in a just world also tend to be more religious, more authoritarian, more conservative, more likely to admire political leaders and existing social institutions, and more likely to have negative attitudes toward underprivileged groups. To a lesser but still significant degree, the believers in a just world tend to ‘feel less of a need to engage in activities to change society or to alleviate plight of social victims.’”
- Claire Andre and Manuel Velasquez from an essay at The Markkula Center for Applied Ethics interesting that there is a correlation between this view where you ‘feel less of a need to engage in activities to change society or to alleviate plight of social victims.’ and religion
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