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« on: March 03, 2010, 06:52:02 pm »
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« on: December 18, 2009, 01:08:29 pm »
If you look at different gospels they trace jesus heritage through his mother as well at some stage, or end up with a shorter family tree somehow (one gospel goes through 30 generations and another only does like 25 or some shit) but its not the details that matter, its how much jesus loves you want wants to kill you after you're dead http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3174473/Man-cites-Bible-in-child-assault-prosecution
so am man beats his kid with a pipe, claims it is his god given right (literally) and the defense is:
i hate how "christian" is used in courts to say "this is a good man" - this is an unrepentant child beater that is how he should be treated At least he didn't scratch the kids eyes out and drown him, surely even religious types wouldn't be able to get away with something like that...
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« on: December 12, 2009, 04:25:15 pm »
lol - on a more serious note, how did the "God is omnipotent omnipresent omniscient" come about. tl;dr of tiwaking's post: The 3 O's are just a grossly oversimplified attempt to legitimise theism, despite the fact that a god that satisfies the 3 O's requirement is fatally distinct from any god advertised by any religion
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« on: November 29, 2009, 11:23:04 am »
stoking the flames i see  the video is quite good though, in b4 the diehards who say "i watched the movie, and it really challenged my faith" etc etc who actually looked at the first few minutes and then gave up because they can't handle facts
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« on: November 25, 2009, 10:58:52 pm »
watched a thing on cults on tv - can you have a non religious cult? is it possible? or are cults a gift from god that is just part and parcel of religion? Surely you haven't heard of the christian organisation "cultwatch" which has members "from all denominations" - except destiny of course, since they've just decided to label them as a cult, pot calling the kettle black if you ask me
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« on: November 25, 2009, 10:01:14 pm »
pascals wager is quite elegant, but in its simplicity it makes a lot of assumptions (in the style of most religious people who are out to prove a point rather than find the true answer)
the main thing it doesn't account for is the possibility of a god who rewards people for not believing in him. if this god exists, then all the probabilities go to undefined values (infinity - infinity != 0, but some undefined number that could be positive or negative), and therefore the expected outcome of believing in god is the same as the expected outcome of not believing
it still worries me how few religious people actually honestly question why god cares if we believe in him. surely he (or she, if god is actually alanis morrisette) can't be that fucking insecure, right?
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« on: November 21, 2009, 02:19:07 pm »
Good call, Cobra :asian:
My question is this:
Who sends people PMs in a public discussion which has been running fine till now?! People who are scared that they have something to lose...
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« on: November 21, 2009, 10:20:54 am »
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,424942,00.html
Comprehension problems?
They may accept parts of it,somewhat akin to the curate's Egg, but wholesale Evolution without a Creator is NOT accepted without certain clauses that evolution doesn't require.
Funnily enough, I just bought two books today:
"The New Atheism: Taking a stand for Science and Reason". by Victor J.Stenger.
"The Greatest Show on Earth: The evidence for Evolution" by Richard Dawkins.
I've read "The Bible".
Will you read these? Victor Stenger's "The God Hypothesis" is a very good read, as is Michael Martin's "Atheism - A philisophical justification". The sad fact remains that in most religious arguments (eg those put forward by the likes of William Lane Craig and Alvin Platinga), they change the rules for each argument they take on. For example, when defending the "perfect" god (omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent) they use all their philisophical arguments, but then when the go on to defend the christian god, they forget about the 3 O's and try to prove something else altogether.
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« on: November 16, 2009, 08:01:07 pm »
inb4cobrasaysreligiouspropagandaoragenda
My uneducated opinion would be because the Devil is not supposed to be nice at all. So while he might encourage you into acts agaisnt the curches wishes while you are on earth, he'll then be the evil dick that he is and enjoy punishing you for it when you get to hell. ^^ Summary of every religion, except replace the words "my uneducated opinion" with "god says"
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« on: January 06, 2009, 10:48:27 am »
Consider the possibility that Godel may be incorrect. The hypothetical I used was millions of years of advancement.
You're forgetting that Godel's theorem has been mathematically proven. A mathematical proof (just in case you aren't familiar with them) is universally correct, and can be applied to any situation with the same premises. "Millions of years of advancement" will allow us to continue to get closer, but it will be a losing battle, similar to how scientists still can't bring a particle to absolute zero (but they keep getting closer). I'm willing to bet you haven't looked into it though and are blindly believing what you've already decided upon - much in the same way someone would blindly follow their religion, right?
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« on: January 06, 2009, 09:41:43 am »
If technology advances to the point where we know everything about the universe except for whether or not a god exists, then we can say "the universe does not require a god". Read up on Godel's incompleteness theorems which explain why we'll never advance technology to that point. No system can be fully knowledgable of itself, and therefore our knowledge of the universe will always be incomplete.
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« on: January 05, 2009, 09:03:58 pm »
The whole concept of a probability is that the situation can be reproduced when certain variables reoccur. The example of 10 universes with each universe has a number of gods is a good one - it allows you to take a sample and find out with more certainty than before the distribution of gods over universes.
The problem when no information is known about the system is that you have to assume an even distribution - having 0 gods is just as likely as having 1,000 gods.
This is going to confuse the majority of readers further still when since we have no information about the distribution other than that the number of possible gods is a whole number greater than equal to zero. Therefore, since there are an infinite amount of possibilities, we have to take the limit of P(A) = n(1) / n(infinity) and therefore the probability of having any number of gods is equal to the probability of having to 0 gods, which is 0 by the way if you haven't been following.
And to take it just that little bit further, one could always expand on Gödel's incompleteness theorems to say that there is no way of proving the existence or inexistence of a god or gods, in much the same way that there is no way of proving whether or not we are in a simulation, without interference from an external source.
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« on: December 30, 2008, 06:55:50 pm »
How many people posting here are actually qualified in biology (beyond high school level)
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« on: December 25, 2008, 08:29:13 am »
wat
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« on: December 24, 2008, 06:59:19 pm »
So a there's three guys at the gates to heaven waiting to get in when they finally open at 9 o'clock (because St Peter needs to rest too).
St Peter walks out, grabs a microphone, and announces "The rules have changed slightly as of today: You are only allowed to come in if you had a REALLY bad day the day you died."
So the first guy in the queue walks up and is asked "So what was your day like?" to which he replied,
"Well I finished my shift at 6am and was just opening the door to my apartment when I heard some muffled noises coming from inside. I didn't think much of it, so I opened the door, went up to my room, only to find my wife completely naked and looking rather short of breath. I knew something wasn't quite right and yelled 'Where is he!' as I checked around the bedroom and in the wardrobe. Then I heard a noise from outside, so I walked out onto the balcony and saw a man hanging naked by his fingertips. I was beyond pissed off by this stage and so I jumped on his fingers until he let go and fell all 7 storeys to the ground. I could see him twitching still, so I grabbed the biggest thing I could find - the refrigerator - and lugged it over to the balcony, throwing it off and killing the man. After all the commotion was over I was so angry that I had a heart attack and dropped dead right there."
St Peter looks thoughtful for a bit, then says "Well, I suppose your wife was cheating on you, and even though you killed a man you technically had a bad day, so you're in. Welcome to heaven."
The first man goes through, and the second man steps up. St Peter says "So how was your day?" The man replies,
"So I got up at 5.45 to do my morning exercises, and as I live on the 8th floor of a high rise building the only space I really have is on my balcony, which nobody can really see at that point in the morning so I often exercise naked. I did a bit of yoga, some star jumps, a couple of sets of pressups and sit ups, then as I was stretching the railing gave way and I fell off the side. Luckily I managed to catch the balcony of the floor below, and was just about to pull myself up when some crazy man ran out of the apartment and started jumping on my fingers! Naturally I fell to the ground, and I'm lying there with a broken back when I look back up to see this refrigerator fall from the sky and land on my head, and now I'm here."
St Peter is giggling a little by this stage, but manages to regain his composure and announces "Well, you hadn't done anything wrong, were trying to keep healthy, and just had a really shitty day. Welcome to heaven."
So the second guy walks into heaven and the third man walks up to St Peter, who asks him "So how was your day?"
The man replies: "Picture this - I'm naked in a refrigerator..."
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