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Did you think about any of those philosophical questions I posted yesterday at all? Or did you just ignore them?

Einstein hated quantum mechanics. He liked to think of the universe being probabilistic and nothing changed but was always fundamentally the same. He could never really accept that particular concept of quantum theory.

Max Planck though, the founder of quantum theory, on the other hand was quite religious.

I'm sure Einstein probably made a lot of contradictory statements throughout his life, I think that's somewhat understandable for what was probably one of the most intelligent men in recent history -  I already knew that he didn't believe in a personal God (that plans our daily lives and performs miracles ect.), but he still believed in God and couldn't conceive of a universe that existed without God. I would point you to quote I posted a few pages back but some dumbass has gone and deleted every single one of my posts so fuck it.

I think when Einstein was talking about God, it might have been more of a metaphor than anything. Definately not the exact same idea of God that Judeo-Christians believe in, but it's going back to the thing I posted a while back about we all approach the same thing, just in different ways.

God does play dice, it seems, yes. Neils Bohr, whom was another scientist working on quantum mechanics at the time that Einstein made the comment 'God does not play dice' said to Einstein, 'Stop telling God what to do with his dice!" But he spent the better part of his last few years trying to dismiss the unpredictability of quantum mechanics with his grand Theory of Everything that he thought would be the equivalent of 'reading the mind of God.'

"I want to know how God created this world...I want to know his thoughts; the rest are details,"

 It's fair to say he may have lost the plot just a little bit in his remaining years, but he also came up with the theory of relativity and E=mc2 aswell as numerous other scientific discoveries so he is someone to be respected even if he was unable to accept the discovery of quantum theory.

He also stood up and applauded, and said 'This is the most beautiful and satisfactory explanation of creation I have ever witnessed!' when George Lemaitre explained his theory of the 'primeval atom' (Big Bang) to him, and admitted the mistakes he had made with his own theories.

Awesome guy.

Scientists made the nuclear bomb though. Thanks science.

well posts keep getting pushed back so the 177th page sometimes has posts on it then goes back to 176 lol

There must be a rip in the space-time continuum

You have contributed barely anything of value to the thread, nor anything even remotely intelligent or well thought-out. You make inaccurate claims that you can't back up and then skype off like a coward when you are unable to answer questions.

Nevermind, i'm out of here. This place isn't worth my time, there are plenty of other people who would appreciate having this discussion with me without resorting to harassement and acting like a bunch of  assholes. Adios.

Neg, i'm fucking awesome.

are you willing to bet? - high stakes IQ test? - im keen

You can't be serious? A) Grow up. B) You aren't worth my time or effort.

Now this is getting interesting...

Suggestion. Looser is banned from the forum???

Or you could just fuck off instead? Yeah that's a better idea, try that. If you don't have anything of any value to contribute to the thread, just don't post. Simple as that.

It is a fair and reasonable concept. What is unreasonable about it? What, are you gonna tell people that they can't believe in anything that science hasn't confirmed to be correct?  That they aren't allowed to ask the interesting questions about life? I guess we should all just become dull, mindless atheists with no hope for anything but breeding to keep the population going?

Are you going to go to the Buddhist temples and say "YOUR CONCEPT IS UNFAIR AND REASONABLE AND I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT."  Get a clue ffs.

Arnifix wants us all to live in a totalitarian state.

Look I can tell your getting frustrated that we aren't falling for it. Try to remain calm.

So what/who is this God? Please explain this to me so I may understand what God is. Is God a thing? a person? A strange force that surrounds us, penetrates us, binds us together?

Yeah, I mean... I can't tell you exactly what God is, because i'm not entirely sure. I am just fairly confident that God exists, in one form of another. And the fact that some of the most intelligent scientists and philosophers in our entire human history believed similar, reaffirms this even more for me. But God could mean just about anything. It might be something completely different to what my idea of God is, or what Einstein's idea of God was ect. We can only make educated guesses.
 

But some fundamental, interesting philosophical questions you should ask yourself is, how does everything exist? Why does anything even exist at all? Why does life exist - if there is no purpose to the universe and the universe is just a random accident that somehow magically popped into existence in some freak random occurance  - then would life have even developed in the first place? Would stars have developed, or planets? Why does gravity keep the planets in perfect motion? Why are the physical laws that govern everything in the universe so well-defined for life? Why do these things even bother to exist, if they were not created for the purpose of life? What is time? What is consciousness?

If the universe was created (as the Big Bang theory predicts) what was the source of the creation? For example, you see an awesome painting that depicts a beautiful landscape. That painting didn't just randomly paint itself, it was painted by someone.  Creation isn't random, it's an ordered process. Just as the universe and nature is ordered and intelligible.

OK then, follow up question:

My daughter loves going to church and stuff because she gets to see her friends, so I'm not dragging her along kicking and screaming, and on the one occasion I can recall that she reeeeeally didn't want to go, we both stayed home and did painting together. I don't ram biblical teaching down her throat and we don't say prayers together before bed or any of that stuff. When I discipline her, its always from a moral position (ie "don't throw stuff at someone driving a car, they might crash") as opposed to a biblical position (ie "don't throw stuff at someone, lest ye have stuff thrown at thee"). I don't read her the bible stories book, because I want her to make the choice for herself to read it (plus, its good for her reading comprehension to do it herself). I bought her the Brooke Fraser CD because I wanted to make sure she was listening to music that had a reasonably positive message; I also bought her High School Musical and the soundtrack to Happy Feet.

So do you still think I'm conditioning her for religion?

No, sounds like you're an awesome (and relatively normal) parent. Good job dude.

I will say that religion has helped a friends brother of mine. He got into drugs in a bad way and was losing the plot so he moved to a relatives place where he couldn't get his hands on anything.

When he returned 3 years later he had dropped the drugs and picked up God. Now he goes on and on about god will save us and how everyone will perish in hell unless they turn to god. You can tell that anything you ask him is a regurgitation of what some preacher has told him. It's painful to see how effective the religious brainwashing was.

That's a shame. I think you're probably over-exaggerating a bit though, and i'm pretty sure the Bible doesn't say that people that don't turn to God will perish in hell. If that's what he believes then obviously hasn't read the bible and is just blindly following the religion without questioning any of it (as any intelligible person should). Tell him to wake the fuck up.

But hey, if it fixed his life up and got him clean then it might not be such a bad thing eh?

http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/health/May-June-08/Boy-Dies-After-Choosing-Prayer-Over-Medicine.html

Here's that article about those religious fuckers letting their own son die painfully while 'their god' looked on. What was the problem? got the answering machine when they prayed? Where was god when one of his believers suffered? ANSWER: There is NO GOD.

It boils my blood when I see this happening. A complete waste of life. This is what happened to the poor kid
"He suffered stomach pains and shortness of breath until the toxins in his blood caused heart failure. "

Did you even read any my fucking posts? STUPID PARENTS, NOT RELIGION'S FAULT. RELIGION DOESN'T TEACH TO USE PRAYER INSTEAD OF MEDICINE. Quit being a moron. I swear I need to stop responding to some of these posts or i'm going to catch a case of the stupid off one of you.

So it's fault of every single religion and every religious person in the entire world because a few stupid dumbfuck parents don't know how to look after their kids. Aaah it's all making perfect sense. There is no God because people die. I guess God should have made us invincible, ooh ooh and he should have made the world so that there can be no bad things, and everything is a perfect little paradise and no-one has the ability to think for themselves. Hell, you just can't win can you. If you were God, would you give the gift of free will to people or would you make them mindless robots that are not able to make their own decisions and live with their own consequnces? Think about that for a moment.