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Messages - WhiteRabbit
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« on: March 29, 2009, 09:29:50 pm »
Hint:
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« on: January 21, 2009, 01:47:57 pm »
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« on: December 31, 2008, 12:36:52 pm »
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« on: December 31, 2008, 04:42:23 am »
Can I be smart too? Hmmm, what's the chance the sun will rise in the morning?
P(A) = n(1) / n(2)
Disingenuous argument is disingenuous. Why is it disingenuous - do you have some information the rest of us do not as to something that sways the proability away from there being a creator ? What you were mentioning above is incorrect - the simple probability i used is for random objects - ie things one is unsure of. All your doing is taking the rules for predicing the oucomes of a random series and fitting it round something utterly predictable. It does not detract from what i have been getting at all along - which is - either there is a god or there isnt, you may believe there isnt, i may believe there is. however at this stage we have no solid proof of either (and no matter how strong the theoretical proof - if it inst observabed proof then it isnt proof yet) so both view is equal. this my friends is called tollerance. Its okay though i spent many hours arguing with people and showing there is no god in my early 20's too - then i grew up.
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« on: December 30, 2008, 11:10:17 pm »
this is not correct.
the only case when two options gives you 50/50 is when they are of equal chance, talking about the change of god and chance of no god being equal is nonsensical
you can not say that given 10 universes that 5 of them will have gods - this would clearly be an absurd claim but it is the claim whiterabbit is making
women can be pregnant or non pregnant - can you people accept that here there are two possible states but obviously there is not a 50/50 chance of a woman being pregnant, that is because the two outcomes are not equally probable for a qaulified physicist you really are not so good at maths are you. remember : P(A) = n(A) / n(S) with your hypothsis - there are 10 universes, so 10 chances for god and 10 for no god - there are 20 equal chances - and only 10 can be right that formula becomes P(A) = n(10) / n(20) = 0.5 = 50% ffs man read up on some basic maths!
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« on: December 30, 2008, 10:30:03 pm »
Why? what is the point of life if not to seek the answer to the greatest question. Why are we here? Have you considered that there may well be no point to life and that our existance is random ? and that ultimatly science, religion or logic will fail to achieve an aswer.
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« on: December 30, 2008, 10:20:16 pm »
what is your opinion though? I will believe in a god when i have his name address and phone number. My opinion is a simple one of i had no idea how it started, and i dont really care. but the futility of trying to prove anything eother way is silly. and a logical person can argue for and agaisnt both equally.
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« on: December 30, 2008, 10:17:50 pm »
yes but what is that creator. a god? aliens? big bang? You tell me - i never professed to know that ;-)
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« on: December 30, 2008, 10:13:27 pm »
you missed c
c. more than 1 gods exist not really - my point was ther is either a creator(s) or not - and of that there are equal chances, the odds of it being 1,2,3,4,5 etc do not dilute the simple black and white of yes or no ;-)
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« on: December 30, 2008, 10:01:08 pm »
Yes, but when you (the punter) are in the dark as to how many sides the dice actually has, or how many are painted black or white, then until you have a large sample of results to work with, and calculate the actual odds, then the odds are esentially 50/50 as far as you're concerned.
That's the situation we're all in, in relation to WhiteRabbit's analogy. Thats correct - but as you say "are in the dark as to how many sides the dice actually has" we know how many sides this dice has - 2, god either exists or he doesnt, you cannot have "degrees of existance of god"
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« on: December 30, 2008, 09:44:26 pm »
okay guys maths time here is how you calculate a probibility : Probability of event A that occurs P(A) = n(A) / n(S). where, n(A) - number of occurrence in Event A, n(S) - total number of possible outcomes. Now to work it through together for those without a PHD in quantam physics I say god exists (event a) the only other option is he doesnt (event b) thus he either does or he doesnt so n(A) = 1 a + b = two possible outcomes = n(S) = 2 so : Probability of A happening = 1 / 2 = 0.5 Probability of B happening = 1 / 2 = 0.5 Looks a lot like a 50% chance to me.
We use ratios to make comparisons between two things. When we express ratios in words, we use the word "to" -- we say "the ratio of something to something else" -- for example, the ratio of squares to triangles.
we have two squares and one triangle - so by this logic a ratio of 2:1 now we have two options - and only one can be right - thus again 2:1
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« on: December 30, 2008, 09:12:06 pm »
OMG there are some people seriously lacking in basic maths here
get a 6 sided dice, paint 5 sides black and one side white - roll the dice, you will either get black or white but the odds are not 50/50
you have 6 choices there, and also you know up front the fact you have a 5:1 ratio of black:white - that is just the dumbest thing i have seen written for a long time. made more worrying by the fact you profess to have a physiics degree.
Your stupidity knows no bounds. It brings me no joy to point this out to you.
My stupidity may not - my maths however are solid.
also something can come from nothing l2quantum physics
my fiancée is and i have a degree in physics
So then you should know the Higgs boson aka God Particle - is theory alone, theoretical physics is a religion all of its own, as you can tell by the diehard followers. and the fact that all it does is eplain how a massless particle gets its mass - it in no way attempts to explain how it in itself exists.
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« on: December 30, 2008, 11:23:00 am »
God doesn't solve this delima at all.
Yeap thats right - its a funny old thing called faith.
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« on: December 30, 2008, 11:08:44 am »
Um...... 50/50 is odds of 1:1. No its 2:1 - you have two options, one is right - hence 2:1
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« on: December 30, 2008, 09:56:38 am »
I know it seems like a chore, but you really should read the thread before you post repetitive questions/statements like that! :bounce: i dont see why - this tread wil never stop and continute to loop round in circles ;-)
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« on: December 30, 2008, 09:51:23 am »
yes because logic and numbers say so. Its much better than the alternative of ignorance and blind faith the odds of aliens existing is exactly 2:1 (ie 50/50) the odds of god existing is exactly 2:1 (ie 50/50) - this is based on the fundamental scientific theory called "your either right or wrong" - so the numbers are the same for both. as for the logic - there is very simple logic to follow for there to be a creator (and its fully backed up by science) - "nothing comes from nothing, in order for there to be something it must be created by something" the irony of all of this is that i dont believe either way.
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« on: December 30, 2008, 08:09:22 am »
so if i told you there were magical pixies living at the end of my garden what would you say?
Prove it?
Of course i cant because there are no magical pixies in my garden. I cant then expect you to prove that my pixies do exist thats just inferior logic. The same applies for god. Why is there a need to disprove something for which there is no proof to begin with? There just isnt a reason to.
If you want to make something up then its upto you to prove it not for everyone else to disprove.
So your conversations hould really go like this.
Man A : There is no god.
Man B : Prove it.
Man A : Its your creation you first.
Man B : Yep im fucked. Interesting that people are willing to believe in alien life(in fact its becoming the standard view)- because logic and numbers say its okay, and the chaneses are there is life out there - with out a shred of proof. Science is not a quest to kill god, and science and god go hand in hand.
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« on: December 29, 2008, 09:59:58 pm »
the universe may or may not grow forever, we dont know enough to guess.
what separates your idea of god from nothing? these recent ideas presented look exactly the same as no god, coincidence? This is correct - however a lack of proof is not automatically a proof of lack - and this is the bigest thing that will keep god alive. Situation 1 : Man A : There is no god. Man B : Proove it. Man A : Well i cant really. Man B : Yeah exactly. Situation 2 : Man A : There is a god. Man B : Proove it. Man A : Well i cant really. Man B : Yeah exactly.
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« on: December 29, 2008, 09:31:04 pm »
i pose a simple quesion (without reading all 3,9844,677,262 Posts)
The universe is Finite in size however as science understands it it wil be infinite in time (ie it will forever grow)
if it has something infinite to grow into - it that not enough to be god ? something that created the finite universe of time and space that we see.
No body says he has to be a beardy old guy!
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