Topic: Religion. The evolution, creation and everything in between megathread

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Quote from: Tiwaking!;339705
....how is it possible to explain something like 'light cones'(or even an aspect) which would take less than 3 minutes to read and be easily understood?

Your getting confused with explanations again. Man your getting pwned so baaaaad....:rnr:

Reply #1100 Posted: February 15, 2007, 10:37:37 pm
Originally Posted by Templar
If my mother kills someone, then gets out of jail and kills someone again and she is guilty beyond any doubt, then yes I will be sad but she\'d have to go.


Originally Posted by Xt1ncT
You see, you or Pyro doesn\'t get to choose how I define my own words. I do.

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Quote from: Prowess;339698
partly because of the possibility of truth and partly because the poor bastard got his beans, (wiped out by christians with extreme prejudice)


like to see a group off humans who hasn't wiped out another for no real reson
and do you blame the god or the people twisting the message.


I'll pretend this makes some kind of sense.

heres the link that got my attention http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/3991/NeoManichaean.html#man

Reply #1101 Posted: February 15, 2007, 10:38:10 pm

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job is a well known Bedouin story. Im trying to put together words so I'll just fire out what Im thinking. "Why would you believe a morality story which isnt based on Christian intent?"

this book was written by an israelite the god is called 'yahweh'.that is why it is in the bible.

Reply #1102 Posted: February 15, 2007, 10:39:36 pm

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....how is it possible to explain something like 'light cones'(or even an aspect) which would take less than 3 minutes to read and be easily understood?

Assuming a person has a reading speed of 160 wpm that would mean that I would have to write 440 words in a single post. Fortunately not possible due to the 500 character limit

And all three of these Religion's are horribly fractured. I wonder why that is?

Provable science deals with fact's, not fallacies. Why would scientific method be applied to fairy tales?


explain what part of dawinism is not fairy tail.
scientific everdence is not the only type there is also historical.

Reply #1103 Posted: February 15, 2007, 10:41:40 pm

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Your getting confused with explanations again. Man your getting pwned so baaaaad....:rnr:

Okay

What is the point of this thread?

Please keep your reply to a minimum of 500 words

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explain what part of dawinism is not fairy tail.


http://forums.iconzarena.co.nz/showthread.php?t=7824&highlight=test

Incompetent Design

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Reply #1106 Posted: February 15, 2007, 10:44:19 pm

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Quote from: Prowess;339715
explain what part of dawinism is not fairy tail.
scientific everdence is not the only type there is also historical.

? an example of historical evidence that's relevant to darwin. (evolution by the way has moved WAY past what darwin proposed)

Reply #1107 Posted: February 15, 2007, 10:47:24 pm

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Reply #1108 Posted: February 15, 2007, 10:49:24 pm

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http://forums.iconzarena.co.nz/showthread.php?t=7824&highlight=test

Incompetent Design


cute 'theory' there has also never been a known case of a gain in information
leading to a change in a species.we have seen a change in species by lose of information.
and by saying we are flawed as the creation means there is no intligent creator is not saying much about us as intligent creators.

Reply #1109 Posted: February 15, 2007, 10:53:08 pm

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Okay

What is the point of this thread?

Please keep your reply to a minimum of 500 words

mwahahaha.

Ok i'm gonna guess something like: To start a flame war heavily disguised as intelligent debate between 'Evil Creationists' in the red corner and 'Reasonable Folks' in the blue corner. All for the amusement of Black Heart. Oh and there was something about the grand canyon.

:007:

Reply #1110 Posted: February 15, 2007, 11:00:30 pm
Originally Posted by Templar
If my mother kills someone, then gets out of jail and kills someone again and she is guilty beyond any doubt, then yes I will be sad but she\'d have to go.


Originally Posted by Xt1ncT
You see, you or Pyro doesn\'t get to choose how I define my own words. I do.

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? an example of historical evidence that's relevant to darwin. (evolution by the way has moved WAY past what darwin proposed)


are you saying you have accepted that given enough time and space anything could
happen as is the base of dawinism.

Reply #1111 Posted: February 15, 2007, 11:01:21 pm

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mani sounds like a pretty reasonable guy but how do you trust the story of one man?

Reply #1112 Posted: February 15, 2007, 11:21:09 pm

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mwahahaha.

Ok i'm gonna guess something like: To start a flame war heavily disguised as intelligent debate between 'Evil Creationists' in the red corner and 'Reasonable Folks' in the blue corner. All for the amusement of Black Heart. Oh and there was something about the grand canyon.

:007:

Yeah well you get the 'point'(pun intended)

What is 'easily understood' to Einstein would be hair-pulling-out-athonic to someone else. Common-sense is a fallacy. In fact there are whole schools of philosophical thought devoted to the disprovination of it.

More power to them!

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the site also calls jesus a enlightened prophet when he taught the complete
opposite of what they are teaching.and called himself a god.
but i bookmarked the site its interesting stuff.thanks.

Reply #1114 Posted: February 15, 2007, 11:30:07 pm

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wrong page to look at after few beers, gonna assume you fullahs know your shit _b

Reply #1115 Posted: February 15, 2007, 11:38:25 pm

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wrong page to look at after few beers, gonna assume you fullahs know your shit _b

Hah!

Arent you massively wrong.

Drink a few more beers and leave a comment on what you think. Cant be as bad as some of the theories being bandied about here

And by 'bandied' I mean 'defecated out and thrown at walls, doors, ceillings, fridge magnets, small off duty Czechoslovakian traffic wardens, churches and lead'

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Oboganamaism


Could you please explain this word, o' great thread? For the font of all wisdom knows not of its meaning, and though I have toiled in ancient tomes and scoured a sea of scribbled scrolls I can think of nought but some foray into boganosity or biology.

O' thread! I beseech thee! Come down from on high and bless me with wisdom held only by you!

Dropping the rubbish accent, in response to the claim that:

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there has also never been a known case of a gain in information leading to a change in a species.we have seen a change in species by lose of information.


I direct the ill-informed reader to TalkOrigins. Seriously, google things before posting them. That page was number one on google for "increase in genetic material".

PS. Zarkov, watch your sig! :P

Reply #1117 Posted: February 16, 2007, 07:46:02 am

Let us retract the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wirebrush of enlightenment.

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cute 'theory' there has also never been a known case of a gain in information
leading to a change in a species.we have seen a change in species by lose of information.
and by saying we are flawed as the creation means there is no intligent creator is not saying much about us as intligent creators.


What is the change in species due to a loss of information?

My understanding is there isn't any change in species which is perfectly understandable considering the time it's meant to take.

By the way, if evolution is a complete fallacy, that doesn't add anything to the credibility of creationism. As far as I am concerned they are both either incomplete or wrong. So I don't see why creationists are so intent on disproving it. Evolution does not tell us how life began and its quite likely it never will. Creationists seem to make it out to be a bigger threat (to their religion & beliefs) than it really is.

Reply #1118 Posted: February 16, 2007, 07:57:43 am

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What is the change in species due to a loss of information?

My understanding is there isn't any change in species which is perfectly understandable considering the time it's meant to take.

By the way, if evolution is a complete fallacy, that doesn't add anything to the credibility of creationism. As far as I am concerned they are both either incomplete or wrong. So I don't see why creationists are so intent on disproving it. Evolution does not tell us how life began and its quite likely it never will. Creationists seem to make it out to be a bigger threat (to their religion & beliefs) than it really is.


The posts you make are a bigger threat to my sanity than you would be if you were tied up in my cupboard.

Reply #1119 Posted: February 16, 2007, 08:23:37 am

Let us retract the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wirebrush of enlightenment.

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both judaists and muslims take thier books to be literal so why do christians get
to pick and chose what they do and do not like/take literaly.


Because everyone should have the right to choose in whatever they believe in.

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we have seen a change in species by lose of information.


OMG you just proved evolution!!

It doesn't matter whether their is a gain or loss in information (most of the genetic code is what is referred to as junk DNA anyway), as long as the resultant new species has some advantage over the former.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-value_enigma

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At the center of the C-value enigma is the observation that genome size does not correlate with organismal complexity. For example, many plant species and some single-celled protists, have genomes much larger than humans.


See, the amount of genetic information has no resemblance to how 'advanced' a species is, so therefore evolution can happen either by the gain or loss of information .

Reply #1121 Posted: February 16, 2007, 08:40:19 am

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The posts you make are a bigger threat to my sanity than you would be if you were tied up in my cupboard.


Yea just read what i posted. it's not what i meant.

As far as I am aware we have not  seen any new species develop. sure we've witnessed adaptation, new diseases and virii, but we haven't seen one living species become another. we've extrapolated from fossils, from millions of years. but in human history it hasn't happened. Prowess seems to think it has ie his post mentioning the loss of genetic code creating a new species.

Reply #1122 Posted: February 16, 2007, 10:19:34 am

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Yea just read what i posted. it's not what i meant.


Get in the cupboard.

Reply #1123 Posted: February 16, 2007, 10:25:06 am

Let us retract the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wirebrush of enlightenment.

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Reply #1124 Posted: February 16, 2007, 10:35:33 am