Could you please explain this word, o' great thread? For the font of all wisdom knows not of its meaning, and though I have toiled in ancient tomes and scoured a sea of scribbled scrolls I can think of nought but some foray into boganosity or biology.O' thread! I beseech thee! Come down from on high and bless me with wisdom held only by you!
Imagine if this was merged with the religion mega-thread, where we have already pwned jay kay and religion many times over.It wouldn't just be a mega-thread, it would be such an amazing thread that we would have to make up a new name, like Oboganama-thread.
LOL!! You actually looked it up! :bounce:
hey im just wondering what evidence you are talking about.
but what ever you beleive you should always look hard at what supports it.
cute 'theory' there has also never been a known case of a gain in information leading to a change in a species.
My point is that the creationists argument that evolution is flawed because we havn't witnessed a new species develop, is that it's wrong.
And BTW - the human genome consists of > 60% viral information. Those are viruses which have become embedded in our dna. Does that qualify as gaining genetic information?
Given your guys lack of understanding of dating methods i can understand why you don't believe the bible.
Radioisotopic Dating Techniquestechnique range (years past) dateable itemslead 210 1 - 150 lake and ocean sediments, glacial icecarbon 14 1 - 40,000 previously living thingsuranium series 1 - 400,000 bone, teeth, coral, shells, eggspotassium-argon 10,000 - 3 billion minerals, igneous rocksuranium-lead 1 million - 4.5 billion minerals, igneous rocksrubidium-strontium 60 million - 4.5 billion
Carbon dating, geology, and astronomy, all agree that animals, the earth and the universe are much older than the english translation of the bible suggests. There are many more examples.
Please provide your explanation as to why we are seeing light from stars 1 billion light years away.
As a model of the universe, the english bible fails.
Completely agree, so, why do you think god is intelligent? Why do you think god can "get angry"?
32:9. And again the Lord said to Moses: I see that this people is stiffnecked:32:10. Let me alone, that my wrath may be kindled against them, and that I may destroy them, and I will make of thee a great nation.
We have never seen a sun explode either so that mustn't happen either huh? But then we've only been looking a very short time really haven't we.
It is a failing of humankind to think that if things can not be witnessed within a lifetime then they cannot happen.
Exactly. Also note, they haven't seen "god" create a chicken out of water either yet they somehow believe that is more likely.
She's 100% correct. When you swear at someone you do two things. 1) Create intimidation. 2) Artificially obscures your point.Scaring people into thinking like you achieves nothing. If scaring people into thinking like you worked, we wouldnt need torture.
'yom' is used in context to express the time wanted by the author.it is used to describe a random amont of time,a year or in this case 24hrs this was the authors context.
Because everyone should have the right to choose in whatever they believe in.
OMG you just proved evolution!!It doesn't matter whether their is a gain or loss in information (most of the genetic code is what is referred to as junk DNA anyway), as long as the resultant new species has some advantage over the former.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-value_enigmaSee, the amount of genetic information has no resemblance to how 'advanced' a species is, so therefore evolution can happen either by the gain or loss of information .
Well it really comes down to how a new species is defined. Diseases and virii mutate all the time, caused by natural selection. Some of the mutations will help the disease to thrive, while other mutations will cause the disease to die out.Creationists argue that because we haven't seen any new species develop, that evolution is flawed, but evolutionist know that evolution does take a long time, millions of years, however the driving force behind evolution, which is natural selection, can be easily seen.And anyway, how can you see a new species develop? think about it, it wasn't there, then it is there.It's quite hard to prove something doesn't exist yet, when you don't yet know what it is. Thousands of new species are being found all the time deep in the rain forest and in the deep ocean, we don't know how long they have been there without fossil evidence. They could have been around for millions of years, or they could have evolved from another spices in the last hundred years.My point is that the creationists argument that evolution is flawed because we havn't witnessed a new species develop, is that it's wrong. And there is plenty of evidence for evolution in my opinion, how species can share up to 95% of their genetic code with another, and fossils can be found in only certain time periods, meaning that a species started existing at a certain time.
1) Huh? If you're a pussy, or it's an in-your-face shouting match. Done properly, expletives aren't needed in that situation anyway So expletives aren't aggressive, they're simply... emphatic, and therefore 2) serve sometimes to enhance your point. :bounce: The missus is right because regular use of expletives demeans the person using them, and they just don't fit into a well-worded and intelligent conversation. This also helps to explain the Beer phenomenon. It's all a matter of context - expletives can provide hours of entertainment when used properly.You're right about the variable, I originally worded the post to express a similar example, but it got edited out. However, the suggestion that the author intended a 24hr time frame sounds like fundamentalist wishful thinking to me. :sunnies:
Carbon dating, geology, and astronomy, all agree that animals, the earth and the universe are much older than the english translation of the bible suggests. There are many more examples. Please provide your explanation as to why we are seeing light from stars 1 billion light years away.As a model of the universe, the english bible fails.Completely agree, so, why do you think god is intelligent? Why do you think god can "get angry"?We have never seen a sun explode either so that mustn't happen either huh? But then we've only been looking a very short time really haven't we.It is a failing of humankind to think that if things can not be witnessed within a lifetime then they cannot happen.And BTW - the human genome consists of > 60% viral information. Those are viruses which have become embedded in our dna. Does that qualify as gaining genetic information?we see stars in different stages of life an we see the after affects of a stars death.no simalar signs with evolution.
you can say it wishful thinking but that doesn't can the context it was writen in.
CHRISTIANS ARE LIKE NAZIS!!!!!!GOD IS HITLER!!!!/Goodwins law evoked. //Love slashies.
Anyway, in a fight between the two, relegion would win - because they have God. And he is a badass.
Quote from: Tiwaking!]job is a well known Bedouin story. Im trying to put together words so I'll just fire out what Im thinking. "Why would you believe a morality story which isnt based on Christian intent?"this book was written by an israelite the god is called 'yahweh'.that is why it is in the bible.
]job is a well known Bedouin story. Im trying to put together words so I'll just fire out what Im thinking. "Why would you believe a morality story which isnt based on Christian intent?"
A great diversity of opinion exists as to the authorship of this book. From internal evidence, such as the similarity of sentiment and language to those in the Psalms and Proverbs (see Psalms 88 and 89), the prevalence of the idea of "wisdom," and the style and character of the composition, it is supposed by some to have been written in the time of King David and King Solomon. Some, however place it in around the time of the Babylonian exile.Talmudic tradition maintains that the Book Job was written by Moses, although the Sages dispute whether it was based on historical reality or intended as a parable. Although Moses' authorship is accepted as definitive, other opinions in the Talmud ascribe it to the period of the First Temple.In contrast, secular examinations of the text more generally conclude that, though archaic features such as the "council in heaven" survive, and though the story of Job was familiar to Ezekiel (Chapter 14 verse 14), the present form of Job was fixed in the 4th century BC. Ezekiel places Job in comparison with other righteous figures such as Noah and "Dan-el". The story of Job apparently originated in the land of Edom, which has been retained as the background. Fragments of Job are found among the Dead Sea scrolls, and Job remains prominent in haggadic legends.Possible Sumerian sourceThe Assyriologist and Sumerologist Samuel Noah Kramer in his 1959 book History Begins at Sumer: Thirty-Nine "Firsts" in Recorded History (1956), provided a translation of a Sumerian text which Professor Kramer argued evinces a parallel with the Biblical story of Job. Professor Kramer drew an inference that the Hebrew version is in some way derived from a Sumerian predecessor.
Black heart, ive given rational explanations. I think you guys need to step it up on the amount of personal attacks dished out. if you can't handle the debate don't resort to attacking us by saying we are irrational. There's nothing wrong with my rationale.
However, rationality is a much broader term than logic, as it includes "uncertain but sensible" arguments based on probability, expectation, personal experience and the like, whereas logic deals principally with provable facts and demonstrably valid relations between them. For example, ad hominem arguments are logically unsound, but in many cases they may be rational
Seriously, I don't even bother going to a lot of Christian websites, simply because the beliefs vacillate so wildly from one to the next. Like, one believes in tithing (giving 10% to the church) and another doesn't. One believes in using electric guitars at church, another doesn't. One believes in using modern worship, another doesn't. One believes that creationism is correct, another leaves the door open. And many more examples.
The first and most fundamental question anyone, Christian or not, should ask themselves is:How the fuck would I know? I'm a tiny speck on a small planet which itself is atomically small in relation to the known universe.
To propose that there is no creator is incredibly arrogant, because we are simply not capable of comprehending something so eternal and so vast....and to suggest that a creator as vast at the one who could have created our universe should give a fuck what any of us think is just me me me me, which is about the level most human beings settle at anyway.
To claim that a creator doesn't exist because evil does is an oxymoron of the first degree
We live in a universe of decay - we age and die like everything around us, so we have no understanding of eternity, of something that always existed and always will.
Science can't prove that it's all about evolution, and the Bible can't prove it's all about creation. I've heard people say for years that of course there's evolution! God prefers to do things the natural way!
Science is about facts as they are known. Science inevitably gets it wrong, but you can only go with what you know at the time. Needs constant effort to learn new things, to better understand what the hell's going on around here
Christianity is about faith, the opposite of science
Actually science may one day prove that its all about evolution whereas Christianity can ONLY prove creationism and has no other recourse i.e Bablefish
Does God Care? You are also wrong, again.
Tiwaking? You're so hung up on arguing about anything anyone else says that you take things out of context to argue them, and provided some responses that are not only completely out of context but don't make any sense either.A small example (I'm NOT going to pick them all out)
Where did I say God doesn't care? I said he's not concerned with our opinions.
You're so obsessed with finding fault that you pick out a few words, read it wrong, and you won't concede the point of the rest of the statement (which I assume you agree with, because you didn't argue with it?) This whole 'you're wrong, I'm right' thing is a very un-christian arrogance, BTW.
I'm out, this has turned into pointless mush. :sunnies:
*starts running from Tiwa's wrath*
you cant say your a cop and then not inforce the law so why say your a christian andthen say you dont belive what christ says.
if a gain in information(i am looking at the link) has never happened then evolution is imposible.
a lose of information is micro evolution and runs with in a spieces never creatinga new spieces.
what species shares 95% dna.
we still have no conclusive fossils showing a gradual changeeither
mathmaticians have done the caculations on evolution as well concluding therehas not been enough time for all current species to evolve.
All Jesus said was love one another, all the rest is church mumbo jumbo.
