Religion. The evolution, creation and everything in between megathread

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

Religion also has so much to answer for - almost every single war for a start. The corruption of so many religions makes me laugh - the Catholic Church for one.

Religion may have karate experts, but science has machine guns.

science can create tanks with guns. Id like to see a shaolin monk beat a abrams tank

Some conflicting statements here.

First Xtinct say science loses because of all the wars it's responsible for.

But then we have others saying science wins because science have guns?!

Which is it guys?

[Prowess]

why because he wants to beat up a guy who thinks he is the king of men. in this day and age jesus would be in  a mental instituion

no if he could heal people like it says in the bible he would be worshiped as a god.
do you want to find the evidence or do you want a who can insult the best forum.
if you know nothing about either side why talk.you just look like someone who came
to a science debate with no knoledge and nothing to say.

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

why because he wants to beat up a guy who thinks he is the king of men. in this day and age jesus would be in  a mental instituion

Jesus never proclaimed himself a king, it was his followers who did.

You should check your facts more.

[Prowess]

so where your physical evidence that god exist? We may have a few fossils buts it a hell of a lot more than what youve got

this is where we look at historic evidence.

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

this is where we look at historic evidence.

fossils are historic evidence.

[Prowess]

fossils are historic evidence.

like i said the amout of fossils that support evolution are few and far between.

[Simon_NZ]

dont start this shit

you both know what jesus did is impossible, don't be such idiots.

the guy had a good message to preach, fucken good on him - but that's all hes got.

[Simon_NZ]

like i said the amout of fossils that support evolution are few and far between.

FUCKEN LOL

bring it.

[KiLL3r]

this is where we look at historic evidence.

ok so what evidence is this? and dont say the bible i can write a book full of nonsense too.

[BerG]

Some conflicting statements here.

First Xtinct say science loses because of all the wars it's responsible for.

But then we have others saying science wins because science have guns?!

Which is it guys?

What the hell are you on monkey?

[BerG]

According to the bible, Jesus didn't perform miracles just to show off, he did it to help people.

So I doubt he would be the kind of guy to walk on water just to prove he was Jesus,.

Well how the hell else is he supposed to prove he is jesus!??

We have retards all the time proclaiming to be jesus, if he doesnt do something to prove he is jesus when he returns then he is an idiot.

Then again, god and company are very good at not leaving any evidence which supports what they say we must believe to be accepted into heaven.

[dirtyape]

you say its science vrs religion but its not its evolution vrs religion.

No, it is Science vs Religion. , quantum mechanics, geology, biology, virology, etc. In fact evolution should not really be included at all because it's not testable and isn't really a very good theory. But then thats why it gets picked on isn't it, too easy to discredit.

But, what about discrediting these:

Cosmology: Light from 10 billion year old stars observed
Cosmology: Big Bang predicted to have occured
Astronomy: Background cosmic radiation compliements Big Bang theory
Astronomy: Extra solar planets discovered
Geology: Sedement deposits take hundreds of thousands of years to accumulate
Geology: frogs are found in amber which is 25 million years old
Virology/Biology: Viral DNA has been imbedded in human genome since humans existed
Quantum mechanics: when dealing with waves of probability even the unlikely occurance of a complex particle can become likely - simply for the fact that it can exist in an environment.


Of course, religious perogotive dictates that God can do anything, and that there needs to be no explanation. And really, none of the above discredits "God" in any way - it just discredits specific religious interpretations of god.

All I can say is that at least scientists maintain a level of common sense, and try and explain what is seen - rather than blindly accepting what our ancient and primitive ancestors believed. Maybe one day, scientists will discover a proper religion.

Some conflicting statements here.

First Xtinct say science loses because of all the wars it's responsible for.

But then we have others saying science wins because science have guns?!

Which is it guys?

Science provides the tools, religion provides motives. But without motive - would the guns be used? So, where does the evil that men inflict upon each other come from?

And, for the record this is a quote from Mein Kampf, apparently Hitler whorshipped a Christian god:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

So, really, is christianity the cause the jewish genocide? Apparently so...

[TofuEater]

Can we call it a draw?

[KiLL3r]

Can we call it a draw?

no we'll call it a outright win for science.

[Fragin]

Science and technology is the new religion.

As the climate changes, instead of changing our practices we look to science and technology and have faith that someone will discover a solution.

[gray_man]

THIS IS WHAT WE WIL DO, ITS THE ONLY LOGIC WAY

GO GET A COIN, MAKE SURE ITS GOT A HEAD AND A TAILS!!!!

FLIP IT!!

CATCH IT!!

SLAP IT OVER ONTO THE BACK OF YOUR OTHER HAND!!

IF ITS HEADS >>>>>>> SCIENCE WINS

IF ITS TAILS >>>>>>> RELIGION LOOSES

THE END!!

and now we know the answer and can make a new thread, something to do with what we (the scientists) will call ourselves, im leaning towards the "UNITED ATHIEST ALLIANCE"

omg i better get some rep for this post, i just want to get my second bar!!!

[frog.]

THIS IS WHAT WE WIL DO, ITS THE ONLY LOGIC WAY

GO GET A COIN, MAKE SURE ITS GOT A HEAD AND A TAILS!!!!

FLIP IT!!

CATCH IT!!

SLAP IT OVER ONTO THE BACK OF YOUR OTHER HAND!!

IF ITS HEADS >>>>>>> SCIENCE WINS

IF ITS TAILS >>>>>>> RELIGION LOOSES

THE END!!

and now we know the answer and can make a new thread, something to do with what we (the scientists) will call ourselves, im leaning towards the "UNITED ATHIEST ALLIANCE"

omg i better get some rep for this post, i just want to get my second bar!!!

i got heads, that was after a bit of human manipulation, because it actually fell on the bed and landed on its edge ><

[gray_man]

i got heads, that was after a bit of human manipulation, because it actually fell on the bed and landed on its edge ><

ooh didnt take that into account, feel free to proclaim some sorta rule for when this happens

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

and now we know the answer and can make a new thread, something to do with what we (the scientists) will call ourselves, im leaning towards the "UNITED ATHIEST ALLIANCE"

No, it should be the Allied Atheist Alliance!

[dirtyape]

I think i'm kind of agnostic, but that also starts with A so sweet as.

UNITED ATHIEST and AGNOSTIC ALLIANCE

UAAA

[frog.]

No, it should be the Allied Atheist Alliance!

ive read a great quote by Albert Pike, in it he says you guys get owned.

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

ive read a great quote by Albert Pike, in it he says you guys get owned.

Who guys?

Albert Pike? the KKK member?

[Arnifix]

like i said the amout of fossils that support evolution are few and far between.

That's like showing people a bunch of photographs and saying "these photographs show little evidence that our ancestors ever moved." There are plenty of fossils which show evolution. Just because scientists can't create a flipbook of fossils showing a fish evolving into a man doesn't mean it didn't happen. There are more than enough examples hinting one way or the other, fish with legs, monkey with gills etc, that would imply that one type of creature evolved into another.

[Tiwaking!]

Quantum mechanics: when dealing with waves of probability even the unlikely occurance of a complex particle can become likely - simply for the fact that it can exist in an environment

I only recently learned about the Copenhagen Interpretation/Infinite regression theory and the 'transitional wave' theory. I learnt quantum mechanics differently, which appears to have caused arguments with my more learned friends.

I learned it this way: The less likely an occurance, the more likely a duality paradigm will occur, but with an exponentially decreasing possibility of both occurances not occuring.

And no: That's not the exact explanation, that's just an incredibly concise summary.

I think i'm kind of agnostic, but that also starts with A so sweet as.

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[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

[youtube video]

That's is the biggest load of crap i've ever read.

In the law, if there is proof that someone did commit a crime, then they are guilty. If there is proof they someone didn't commit a crime then they are innocent. If there is no proof either way then that person is still considered a suspect.

The statement "Innocent until proven guilty" is grounded in human rights, not science. Scientifically, if there is no proof either way, then the suspect can be either innocent or guilty.

How that video explained the "scientific method" is wrong. You can't have a theory based on lack of evidence.

An agnostic is still the most logical, he knows there is no evidence, and therefore makes no judgment. How can that method be flawed?

Also the last statement in the video makes no sense at all. That guy has no idea what he's on about.