Religion. The evolution, creation and everything in between megathread

[Tiwaking!]

It cracks me up that all the God haters can be so agro about Religion and push their non belief onto everyone. It's so un PC for a Christian to 'put their beliefs onto other people' but its ok for the God haters to call people with faith idiots. I thought all the hypocrites went to church???

See the problem is this



This guy is the epitome of COOL! Good argument, clear, calm, factual

The flip side is of course..


This guy, and much more youtube-famously


Poster child for the new Christian revolution this guy is!

[Simon_NZ]

http://www.loljesus.com/

So, there’s an old priest and a young priest
The old priest is going on vacation all week and asks the young priest to fill in for him on Sunday to do confession.
Well, the young priest says, but I’ve never done confession before. What do I do?
The old priest says, don’t worry. There’s a chart to go by inside the booth.
So, come Sunday the young priest is a little nervous.
The first person comes in and says, Forgive me Father, for I have sinned. I’m jealous of my neighbor’s new car.
He looks at the chart, finds envy, and says, Say 3 hail Mary’s. Go with God.
The next person comes in and says, Forgive me Father for I have sinned. I cursed my mother out.
Again he looks at the chart and says, Say 4 hail Mary’s and 2 Our Father’s. Go with God. Now he’s a little more confident in his abilities.
The third person comes in and says, Forgive me Father, for I have sinned. I gave my boss a blow job.
He looks and looks, but can’t find blow job on the chart.
Finally, he sticks his head out of the curtain and summons one of the altar boys over to him.
Altar boy! What does Father give for a blow job?
Two snickers and a coke!

Q. Whats the difference between acne and a catholic priest?

A. Acne at least waits till you’re a teenager to come on your face.

[KiLL3r]

Religion. The evolution, creation and everything in between megathread

[Fragin]

It cracks me up that all the God haters can be so agro about Religion and push their non belief onto everyone. It's so un PC for a Christian to 'put their beliefs onto other people' but its ok for the God haters to call people with faith idiots. I thought all the hypocrites went to church???

Here's an answer why it's not ok to be religious (I don't necessarily agree with all of this).

Richard Dawkins gets the credit and I posted this earlier  in the other huge religion thread.


FROM CHAPTER EIGHT: What's wrong with religion? Why be so hostile?

In July 2005, London was the victim of a concerted suicide bomb attack: three bombs in the subway and one in a bus. Not as bad as the 2001 attack on the World Trade Center, and certainly not as unexpected (indeed, London had been braced for just such an event ever since Blair volunteered us as unwilling side-kicks in Bush's invasion of Iraq), nevertheless the London explosions horrified Britain. The newspapers were filled with agonized appraisals of what drove four young men to blow themselves up and take a lot of innocent people with them. The murderers were British citizens, cricket-loving, well-mannered, just the sort of young men whose company one might have enjoyed.

Why did these cricket-loving young men do it? Unlike their Palestinian counterparts, or their kamikaze counterparts in Japan, or their Tamil Tiger counterparts in Sri Lanka, these human bombs had no expectation that their bereaved families would be lionized, looked after or supported on martyrs' pensions. On the contrary, their relatives in some cases had to go into hiding. One of the men wantonly widowed his pregnant wife and orphaned his toddler. The action of these four young men has been nothing short of a disaster not just for themselves and their victims, but for their families and for the whole Muslim community in Britain, which now faces a backlash. Only religious faith is a strong enough force to motivate such utter madness in otherwise sane and decent people. Once again, Sam Harris put the point with percipient bluntness, taking the example of the Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden (who had nothing to do with the London bombings, by the way). Why would anyone want to destroy the World Trade Center and everybody in it? To call bin Laden 'evil' is to evade our responsibility to give a proper answer to such an important question.

The answer to this question is obvious - if only because it has been patiently articulated ad nauseam by bin Laden himself. The answer is that men like bin Laden actually believe what they say they believe. They believe in the literal truth of the Koran. Why did nineteen well-educated middle-class men trade their lives in this world for the privilege of killing thousands of our neighbors? Because they believed that they would go straight to paradise for doing so. It is rare to find the behavior of humans so fully and satisfactorily explained. Why have we been so reluctant to accept this explanation?"

The respected journalist Muriel Gray, writing in the (Glasgow) Herald on 24 July 2005, made a similar point, in this case with reference to the London bombings.

Everyone is being blamed, from the obvious villainous duo of George W. Bush and Tony Blair, to the inaction of Muslim 'communities'. But it has never been clearer that there is only one place to lay the blame and it has ever been thus. The cause of all this misery, mayhem, violence, terror and ignorance is of course religion itself, and if it seems ludicrous to have to state such an obvious reality, the fact is that the government and the media are doing a pretty good job of pretending that it isn't so.

Our Western politicians avoid mentioning the R word (religion), and instead characterize their battle as a war against 'terror', as though terror were a kind of spirit or force, with a will and a mind of its own. Or they characterize terrorists as motivated by pure 'evil'. But they are not motivated by evil. However misguided we may think them, they are motivated, like the Christian murderers of abortion doctors, by what they perceive to be righteousness, faithfully pursuing what their religion tells them. They are not psychotic; they are religious idealists who, by their own lights, are rational. They perceive their acts to be good, not because of some warped personal idiosyncrasy, and not because they have been possessed by Satan, but because they have been brought up, from the cradle, to have total and unquestioning faith.

[krasher]

Lol @ killing abortion doctors. That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Sif it says in the bible to kill them... It is a shame that religeons and many people groups for that matter get defined by the extremests. It's also a shame that quick reply has no spell check like firefox. And yes Frog I am a Christian. But for heavens sake don't put me in a box with the abortian doctor murderers!

[Tiwaking!]

Lol @ killing abortion doctors. That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Sif it says in the bible to kill them... It is a shame that religeons and many people groups for that matter get defined by the extremests.

I guess you havent read this then

In 1208, Pope Innocent III opened an attack on Cathar heretics who believed in a world in which God and Satan, both having supernatural powers, were at war.  The Church attempted to discredit the Cathar belief by spreading stories that the heretics actually worshiped their evil deity in person.  Propagandists for the Church depicted Cathars kissing the anus of Satan in a ceremonial show of loyalty to him.  As a result of the Church's sustained attacks, the public's understanding of Satan moved from that of a mischievous spoiler to a deeply sinister force.

[Black Heart]

Lol @ killing abortion doctors.

you sick fuck. the shoe fits.

[krasher]

you sick fuck. the shoe fits.

Don't misquote me. You make yourself look stupid. Ok, so I am pretty new to these forums, but I am amazed at how hated religion is round here. I can understand that some religions, most probably, have been represented or misrepresented by extremists and people who mis-use the power they acquired through it, but still???  Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Oh no, I'm going to be misquoted again as a baby killer next. The Christian church has a terrible history that I am ashamed to be associated with it, but that doesn't mean that it's original cause is not valid or helpful. It could be argued that wars have been started over oil. Does that mean we should stop driving petrol cars and using plastic and hating people that do?

[Tiwaking!]

Don't misquote me. You make yourself look stupid. Ok, so I am pretty new to these forums

Way to make people feel welcome around here Black Heart :\

Anyway: This probably isnt the best thread to be looking at.....ever. This is the second of the huge debates that has occurred(that I've seen) in Off Topic, the other being Creationism vs Evolution. As you can see, its 18 pages and I'll probably drag up some old issues from the beginning which have still not been resolved

Its also quite old( 18-01-2007), and its all Black Hearts fault its even here

[KiLL3r]

Don't misquote me. You make yourself look stupid. Ok, so I am pretty new to these forums, but I am amazed at how hated religion is round here. I can understand that some religions, most probably, have been represented or misrepresented by extremists and people who mis-use the power they acquired through it, but still???  Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Oh no, I'm going to be misquoted again as a baby killer next. The Christian church has a terrible history that I am ashamed to be associated with it, but that doesn't mean that it's original cause is not valid or helpful. It could be argued that wars have been started over oil. Does that mean we should stop driving petrol cars and using plastic and hating people that do?

only 1 war has been started over oil and that was started by a american christian (see sig for details)

[krasher]

Yeah, cheers Tiwaking for your warning. It is an interesting thread non the less. It fascinates me that people seem to be looking for a reason to be mad at Christians. This thread could be renamed to "why I hate Christians", or the "bash Christians and religion" thread.

Kill3r, oil was only a metaphor for $ really. Many a war has been started over money and power. I wonder if lust for money and power is more problematic than religion in itself. It does seem that religions are often misused to obtain this power and $ however. Oh, and clever sig. How many Christian Americans do you know well?

Oh, and just cos a 'Christian' started a war. Doesn't mean that it was because he is a Christian that he started the war.

I'm curious. Do you think about spirituality differently from religion?

[KiLL3r]

Yeah, cheers Tiwaking for your warning. It is an interesting thread non the less. It fascinates me that people seem to be looking for a reason to be mad at Christians. This thread could be renamed to "why I hate Christians", or the "bash Christians and religion" thread.

Kill3r, oil was only a metaphor for $ really. Many a war has been started over money and power. I wonder if lust for money and power is more problematic than religion in itself. It does seem that religions are often misused to obtain this power and $ however. Oh, and clever sig. How many Christian Americans do you know well?

Oh, and just cos a 'Christian' started a war. Doesn't mean that it was because he is a Christian that he started the war.

I'm curious. Do you think about spirituality differently from religion?

that depends what you define spirituality as

[krasher]

that depends what you define spirituality as

Good question. What do you define Christian or religion as? I was leaving it open for interpretation. That was the idea.

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

 
Lol @ killing abortion doctors. That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Sif it says in the bible to kill them... It is a shame that religeons and many people groups for that matter get defined by the extremests.

I guess you havent read this then

In 1208, Pope Innocent III opened an attack on Cathar heretics who believed in a world in which God and Satan, both having supernatural powers, were at war. The Church attempted to discredit the Cathar belief by spreading stories that the heretics actually worshiped their evil deity in person. Propagandists for the Church depicted Cathars kissing the anus of Satan in a ceremonial show of loyalty to him. As a result of the Church's sustained attacks, the public's understanding of Satan moved from that of a mischievous spoiler to a deeply sinister force.

Tiwa, how does that post have anything to do with what krasher posted?

[Simon_NZ]

why would jesus be shit @ BF2?

he would get pinned down easy

kekekekeke

[Black Heart]

i fail to see how its a misquote it's the sentence you typed &  you are the one  who trivialised murder in a feeble attempt to distance your own religion from it. Those who murder abortion doctors, have done it because of their christian beleifs.


christianity is fully extreme, thats what started this thread (just a different direction). You wonder why people hate it, you must have some special kind of filters in your brain tuned to removing reality.

PSI couldn't care less if someone i consider a moron doesn't feel i am being kind enough to him.

[krasher]

i fail to see how its a misquote it's the sentence you typed &  you are the one  who trivialised murder in a feeble attempt to distance your own religion from it. Those who murder abortion doctors, have done it because of their christian beleifs.


christianity is fully extreme, thats what started this thread (just a different direction). You wonder why people hate it, you must have some special kind of filters in your brain tuned to removing reality.

PSI couldn't care less if someone i consider a moron doesn't feel i am being kind enough to him.

I was laughing at how stupid it is that people pull out such an extreme example and decide that all Christians must be like that. If you read the rest of my post you would see that I stated that it would actually be against the ethos of Christianity to kill anybody. But, that is how I understand Christianity. It doesn't take much reading of the bible to get that idea though. It's also an ironic idea to kill to save babies from being killed. It is so stupid that I find it difficult to believe that anybody would do it.

Well, these special filters in my brain must be pretty good then, or maybe your are the blind one. For instance you consider me a moron but you know very little about me, thats pretty dumb. That is exactly my point. This thread was made - obviously by you - as a bash Christianity thread. What makes you say Christians are so extreme - in a bad way? From personal experience? I don't want to hear any old history stuff or anything from the media.

It's actually irrelevant. Seems pretty closed minded to me if you throw all religion and religious people in one pile because of extreme stories or experiences. Judge people as individuals or be a closed minded bigot.

Oh, and I don't really care that you write me off so quickly. That's your business.

[Black Heart]

it's says enough that you have to protect the image of christianity, from the actions of christians.
this thread was made specifically to highlight the stupidity of politcal correctness and those who use it to impose their will, upon all. You can't make it my fault those people are creationists / christians.

What exactly is wrong with attacking oppression? are chrisitians supposed to be beyond question? are they above us regular people ?

godbrokemyspacebarsoiwillstophere.

[Tiwaking!]

Lol @ killing abortion doctors.That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Sif it says in the bible to kill them... It is a shame that religeons and many people groups for that matter get defined by the extremests. It's also a shame that quick reply has no spell check like firefox. And yes Frog I am a Christian. But for heavens sake don't put me in a box with the abortian doctor murderers!

Tiwa, how does that post have anything to do with what krasher posted?

Originally Posted by law.umkc.edu
In 1208, Pope Innocent III opened an attack on Cathar heretics who believed in a world in which God and Satan, both having supernatural powers, were at war. The Church attempted to discredit the Cathar belief by spreading stories that the heretics actually worshiped their evil deity in person. Propagandists for the Church depicted Cathars kissing the anus of Satan in a ceremonial show of loyalty to him. As a result of the Church's sustained attacks, the public's understanding of Satan moved from that of a mischievous spoiler to a deeply sinister force.

Pope Innocent III head of the Catholic Church, the only recognised Christian denomiation in the world, launches an advertising smear campaign against a small group of Cathar practitioners. This leads to what is commonly known as "The Inquisition"

Killing abortion doctors doesnt even compare on the stupidity list

[krasher]

it's says enough that you have to protect the image of christianity, from the actions of christians.
this thread was made specifically to highlight the stupidity of politcal correctness and those who use it to impose their will, upon all. You can't make it my fault those people are creationists / christians.

What exactly is wrong with attacking oppression? are chrisitians supposed to be beyond question? are they above us regular people ?

godbrokemyspacebarsoiwillstophere.

Are you oppressed?

[Black Heart]

no science is.  ideas are crushed. suppressed, made illegal to even talk about publicly.

[KiLL3r]

only 1 war has been started over oil and that was started by a american christian (see sig for details)

lol apparently being anti american christian now makes u a racist according to my rep rofl

[Simon_NZ]

its more than 1 kill3r

[dirtyape]

this thread is about religion vs science. It is not all about religion bashing.

Within this thread there are a number of fairly good questions asked of religion, and as yet there are no adequate answers provided.

So far, the christian faith has failed under examination. It is not a accurate or realistic view of reality and existance. It's not even a very good moral guide.

I rate it 2 stars out of 5. (It is better than the morman religion)

[Tiwaking!]

this thread is about religion vs science. It is not all about religion bashing.

Within this thread there are a number of fairly good questions asked of religion, and as yet there are no adequate answers provided.

So far, the christian faith has failed under examination. It is not a accurate or realistic view of reality and existance. It's not even a very good moral guide.

I rate it 2 stars out of 5. (It is better than the morman religion)

Want to do a summary? I'd do one, but I want to play Counter-Strike and I know that it would take at least an hour to do one