Religion. The evolution, creation and everything in between megathread

[KiLL3r]

a sharened stick hardly constitutes a invention.

so i suppose the wheel isnt a invention either??

[frog.]

you point out another speices that has invented somthing
and ill say we are not special.

special omfg.

the only thing the human race has that is special, is ignorance.

[BerG]

Special.

How about those spiders that can form an air bubble around themselves so they can stay under the water for long periods.

How about those ants that can lift something like 6 times their own weight.

Most animals can do things humans would consider superhuman. The only difference is we have bigger brains, and like destroying things.

The world would be far better off WITHOUT humans.

[KiLL3r]

special omfg.

the only thing the human race has that is special, is ignorance.

i think by 'we' he means christians

[Zarathrustra]

you point out another speices that has invented somthing
and ill say we are not special.

Monkeys using sticks to get ants out of holes is no different that man Building a sky scraper.  Both are simply animals using tools to the best of their physical and mental ability.

We're just the smartest animals in our little corner of the universe (for now), nothing more.

[Catalyst]

you point out another speices that has invented somthing
and ill say we are not special.

Monkeys using sticks to get ants out of holes is no different that man Building a sky scraper.  Both are simply animals using tools to the best of their physical and mental ability.

We're just the smartest animals in our little corner of the universe (for now), nothing more.

invention = idea put to use
idea = something that could be developed into an invention

a monkey with a stick isn't an invention, its an idea had by the stupid little monkey, the skyscraper......good example of an invention, and a good example of a bad iea

[Fragin]

Prowess promised to say that humans are not special if we could find another species that has invented something.

We found one.



Now he has a dilemma.....

He can't say what he promised to say because that would go against something that he has come to believe in. To say it and mean it would, I suspect, hurt pretty deeply since it would go against the thing that forms a large part of what he bases his view of the universe on ie The Bible. He might even have to start asking questions................

Still, you did promise.

[Black Heart]

I was jokingly passing swift judgment on the new guy that joined in Feb 2007. I do realise I am still fairly new myself

No, I was poking fun at you stating you haven't posted anything serious in a month and a half, when you'd joined in june 2006... jokes suck when you have to explain them.

I was saying you hadn't posted anything serious.  

[Black Heart]

Hey prowess how about neanderthals, they had stuff.

[Zarathrustra]

invention = idea put to use
idea = something that could be developed into an invention

a monkey with a stick isn't an invention, its an idea had by the stupid little monkey, the skyscraper......good example of an invention, and a good example of a bad iea

The monkey invents a tool to get ants out of the hole - doesn't matter how simple the tool is, complexity isn't the argument here, the stick is still a tool/idea the monkey invented for a beneficial purpose.

I think that monkey deserves a DB.

[Zarathrustra]

Hey prowess how about neanderthals, they had stuff.

Thats a good point.  How does the bible class early forms of man, like the neanderthal?  Are they the ones God created in his own image?  What about poor little retarded kids, they created in gods image too?

[KiLL3r]

Thats a good point.  How does the bible class early forms of man, like the neanderthal?  Are they the ones God created in his own image?  What about poor little retarded kids, they created in gods image too?

well according to my school bible teachers, dinosaurs and neanderthals never existed. When I questioned further about the existence of bones i was ignored. :violin:

[Zarathrustra]

well according to my school bible teachers, dinosaurs and neanderthals never existed. When I questioned further about the existence of bones i was ignored. :violin:

That'd be right - 'mammoth in the room' kind of situation there.

[BerG]

well according to my school bible teachers, dinosaurs and neanderthals never existed. When I questioned further about the existence of bones i was ignored. :violin:

Bible teachers are so easy to fluster

[Prowess]

Hey prowess how about neanderthals, they had stuff.

are the pigmy a different species or sub species? just cause they were different
doesn't mean they are a seperate species.

Monkeys using sticks to get ants out of holes is no different that man Building a sky scraper.  Both are simply animals using tools to the best of their physical and mental ability.

We're just the smartest animals in our little corner of the universe (for now), nothing more.

using a stick is using a stick smart yes invention no.

[KiLL3r]

are the pigmy a different species or sub species? just cause they were different
doesn't mean they are a seperate species.

we arnt talking about pigmys we are talking about neanderthols who existed a longtime before adam and eve supposedly existed

[Prowess]

Special.

How about those spiders that can form an air bubble around themselves so they can stay under the water for long periods.

How about those ants that can lift something like 6 times their own weight.

Most animals can do things humans would consider superhuman. The only difference is we have bigger brains, and like destroying things.

The world would be far better off WITHOUT humans.

yes and i know of ants that can bake and make napalm too.

[Prowess]

we arnt talking about pigmys we are talking about neanderthols who existed a longtime before adam and eve supposedly existed

"supposedly"  yet dinosaurs did live at the same time as humans
and we know the date they were given.

[Prowess]

well according to my school bible teachers, dinosaurs and neanderthals never existed. When I questioned further about the existence of bones i was ignored. :violin:

yes your school teacher was not interested in learning the truth of
the world they were wrong but didn't get that from the bible.i belive
dinosaurs were on the ark.

[Zarathrustra]

"supposedly"  yet dinosaurs did live at the same time as humans
and we know the date they were given.

i belive
dinosaurs were on the ark.

Bahahaha...

sorry, had to laugh.

[Prowess]

Bahahaha...

sorry, had to laugh.

what you dont belive they lived at the same time.

[Zarathrustra]

There's quite a large gap between the age of the last of the dinosaur fossils, and the earliest evidence of man.... like millions of years.

Oh wait... everything in history happened in the last 6000 years... guess I must be wrong then... :rolleyes:

[ThaFleastyler]

No, I was poking fun at you stating you haven't posted anything serious in a month and a half, when you'd joined in june 2006... jokes suck when you have to explain them.

I was saying you hadn't posted anything serious.  

I have let myself - and all of us - down yet again :disappoin  

who said the church wants to be relevent? it is a direct command to proclame gods name

Actually, its command is not just that. As is my understanding, part of the command is to PROCLAIM Gods name, and elsewhere it states to do that generationally (implying making the message relevant to each new generation). Also, the Bible says that we must be "Salt and Light unto the earth; what use is salt if it loses its flavour?" (I'm no Bible scholar, but I think that referes to freshness, which implies relevance). Also, the Bible has a lengthy passage about not putting new wine into old wineskins, which also has a strong implication of relevance. Nevermind the Bible: COMMONSENSE says to try and proclaim Gods name in a way in which people will understand - Jesus even understood this, so he spoke in parables.

In Laymans terms, lets say we stick to old traditions or ideas: what good is proclaiming Gods name if those we are meant to be proclaiming it to are standing around going "why the f*ck is he speaking latin/hebrew/aramaic/other?" Do you see what I mean?

(And on a tangent, do you think that could be why people are less and less drawn to the church? Because of the old ways? I mean, look at any large, growing church in the world and ask yourself what makes them different: I could almost guarantee its the way they PRESENT the message, not the message itself.)

The last thing we need here is 2 christians arguing over certain issues. The thread is titled "Religion vs Science" not "Religion A vs Religion B".

[ThaFleastyler]

Bahahaha...

Don't laugh too quickly - as ridiculous as the idea that dinosaurs were on the ark sounds on the outside, the Bible says 2 of every kind of animal were on the ark; so 2 dogs were on there, not 2 golden retrievers, 2 wolves, 2 dingos, 2 chihuahuas, etc.

If I wasn't trying to desperately (translated: "what discussion?!") help Religion keep some respect, I would almost say that this idea of "kinds" of animal actually allows room for a type of evolution. If there were only 2 dogs, where did all the different types of dogs come from ...

[Zarathrustra]

Don't laugh too quickly - as ridiculous as the idea that dinosaurs were on the ark sounds on the outside, the Bible says 2 of every kind of animal were on the ark; so 2 dogs were on there, not 2 golden retrievers, 2 wolves, 2 dingos, 2 chihuahuas, etc.

If I wasn't trying to desperately (translated: "what discussion?!") help Religion keep some respect, I would almost say that this idea of "kinds" of animal actually allows room for a type of evolution. If there were only 2 dogs, where did all the different types of dogs come from ...

Yeah, this is where these sort of things get perplexing.  The idea of an arc with two of each animal, even if you don't take sub-species into account is PREPOSTEROUS.  I mean, come on guys, common sense.

Some Farmer had a flood where he lived, and thought "fuck, I better try and save my best breading pairs of animals"  So he chucks a couple of pigs, cows, goats onto a boat, rides out the storm, etc, etc.  Few weeks later, the waters go down, it's a miracle this dude survived so long on a boat, so people start talking about it... the story grows, people exagerate, it gets written down a few times, becomes the basis for a legend, then some Roman dude decides "this myth will fit in well with this book of ancient stories I'm compiling"