Religion. The evolution, creation and everything in between megathread

[hoodieblanket]

the only thing is.... boy are we fucked if a divine being is proven and the bible is true...  wonder how much crime rate will drop at that exact instant XD

[DEATH0WL]

the only thing is.... boy are we fucked if a divine being is proven and the bible is true...  wonder how much crime rate will drop at that exact instant XD

If we're fucked enough then I will go out looting... Got plans to meet up with friends as soon as something bad happens to loot Dunedin :rnr:

[ThaFleastyler]

"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife" - so just my neighbors? cool i will covet other wives but never my neighbors

Or maybe we're meant to treat everybody the same as if they were living right next door to us? The same amount of respect, same amount of generosity, same amount of friendliness, same amount of "stay-away-from-his-wife"-ness ...

[Mr_St1nky]

the only thing is.... boy are we fucked if a divine being is proven and the bible is true...  wonder how much crime rate will drop at that exact instant XD

Well consider this, if the bible is true, then God will forgive us our sins, so we won't be eternally damned. But then again, God and me parted ways awhile ago so I don't presume to know much about that stuff.

[Bell]

What I'm trying to say is that a theory is nothing more than that as well; to form a theory or an opinion, you look at the evidence that is available and make an educated guess as to what could be the cause.

Oh thats definately true, educated guess is the key word here the fact is 1+1=2 no matter when and where you were born everyone still "believes" 1+1=2.
Relgion on the other hand when and where you were born has a massive effect on your relgious beliefs.

If you were born in an african tribe 1000 years ago would you believe in jesus?
I bet tho you would still think 1+1=2.

[Bell]

t you look at the evidence that is available and make an educated guess as to what could be the cause.

Educated guess is the key word here also no matter when and where you were born everyone still "believes" 1+1=2.
Relgion on the other hand when and where you were born has a massive effect on your relgious beliefs.


If you were born in an african tribe 1000 years ago would you believe in jesus?

I believe the scientific communities method of providing evidence before proclaiming something is fact is far more reasonable than religous processes.

[krasher]

"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife" - so just my neighbors? cool i will covet other wives but never my neighbors

you also can't take the bible literally cause it is fiction

Um...yeah. That is why there are Christians who dum things. Cos people like you (and there are plenty of other nubs who have done the same things in this thread) become Christians - then think that when the bible talks about loving each other you take it too literally and become a kiddy fiddler. Common sense needs to be applied to everything. Have some respect and don't be an ass. And don't say anything about oh - I would never become a Christian bla bla bla cos you would have totally missed my point.

Oh thats definately true, educated guess is the key word here also no matter when and where you were born everyone still "believes" 1+1=2.
Relgion on the other hand when and where you were born has a massive effect on your relgious beliefs.

If you were born in an African tribe 1000 years ago would you believe in jesus?

Kids should be kept away from religion until they have the mental capacity to come up with their own beliefs.

There are old isolated African tribes that do believe in Jesus. How did that happen? Anyway - off topic. Obviously everybody is missing the religion vs science thread. FYI there are scripture that talk about the earth being round also. Scriptures that were written before people discovered it for themselves. Lucky guess maybe? Faith in the Bible?? Faith in science?? What I find fascinating is when they line up with each other. Good luck and have fun Flea

[woofnstuff]

I like the theory they had in the TV series Red Dwarf,
 first there was the big bang,  everything including time rushes out from a single point, eventually it runs out of momentum and starts going backwards, time and matter eventually end up back at that same point again and .. pop out they go again

[Bell]

What I'm trying to say is that a theory is nothing more than that as well; to form a theory or an opinion, you look at the evidence that is available and make an educated guess as to what could be the cause.

"belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact."

Faith has NOTHING to do with science.
Faith is the opposite of science.

[KiLL3r]

There are old isolated African tribes that do believe in Jesus. How did that happen?

busy body missionarys trying to impose their religion

[Bell]

There are old isolated African tribes that do believe in Jesus. How did that happen?

Evidence?

[Black Heart]

astrology is older than christianity.

[Cripple]

I like the theory they had in the TV series Red Dwarf,
 first there was the big bang,  everything including time rushes out from a single point, eventually it runs out of momentum and starts going backwards, time and matter eventually end up back at that same point again and .. pop out they go again

The Big Crunch - expansion of the universe slows due to gravity, stops and then it all collapses back to a singularity. Requires our universe to be closed, and from what we have/can measure so far this isn't the case.

This is one of my favourite ideas though, given that the big bang is a natural process (keep it scientific please) then it must be able to happen more than once. An oscillating universe where one dies and another is reborn a possible infinite number of times is elegant to me Still doesn't meet the requirement for the first big bang. Also gives the potential for an infinite number of universes isolated from our own (the natural process part).

The other options where the universe is open or flat are a little depressing ;p

[krasher]

busy body missionarys trying to impose their religion

Nope. You assume too much.

Evidence?

Can't be bothered today sorry. Maybe later. What's the point anyway. You wouldn't believe any of it.

[cobra]

Um...yeah. That is why there are Christians who dum things. Cos people like you (and there are plenty of other nubs who have done the same things in this thread) become Christians - then think that when the bible talks about loving each other you take it too literally and become a kiddy fiddler. Common sense needs to be applied to everything. Have some respect and don't be an ass. And don't say anything about oh - I would never become a Christian bla bla bla cos you would have totally missed my point.


There are old isolated African tribes that do believe in Jesus. How did that happen? Anyway - off topic. Obviously everybody is missing the religion vs science thread. FYI there are scripture that talk about the earth being round also. Scriptures that were written before people discovered it for themselves. Lucky guess maybe? Faith in the Bible?? Faith in science?? What I find fascinating is when they line up with each other. Good luck and have fun Flea

i am not going to say you are retarded - but fuck you are an idiot, do they not teach reading comprehension at your church

When i quote some one saying the 10 commandments should be taken literally then quote one of the 10 commandments which obviously should not be taken literally do you think that i take it literally? then finish it all off saying that the bible should not be taken literally, did you miss that subtle clue?

and people like me will never become christian - I am secure in my self both emotionally and intellectually so dont need to make up "space father" to love me - and i dont think anyone could work out what your point was from that grammar and spelling abortion

[krasher]

Yeah, fair nuf, it wasn't so much aimed at you as to the general 'take the bible literally thing'. I wasn't really reading carefully enuf. Tired. Anyway, point still stands. Need to read more carefully  erm, as I wasn't at the time. But good work on explaining why you didn't need to become a Christian then continuing to dis the faith. Have some respect.

[KiLL3r]

Nope. You assume too much.


Can't be bothered today sorry. Maybe later. What's the point anyway. You wouldn't believe any of it.

hahaha you've got no evidence so stop talking out your ass

[krasher]

Obviously. Prove me wrong then.

[KiLL3r]

Obviously. Prove me wrong then.

first you have to prove what your saying. idiot

[Bounty Hunter]

some historians believe that people in the kingdom of kush (or cush) worshiped an adam and eve.

read wilbur smiths 'the seventh scroll' sure its ficticious...but fiction seems to be ok...

[KiLL3r]

Jesus or Apollonius of Tyana?


both claimed to be the son of god and both cured the sick, raised the dead and where ressurected. So which one is the true son of god?

[DaCollector]

actually the earth isn't set into a "place" it might orbit etc but slowly we are moving out of our line.

Why argue small points when you know what i am getting at. That being that we mere mortals have no ctl over earths placement, the speed it spins etc. and i doubt we ever will.
I reckon you have to give the old fella who wrote those words in such ancient times some kudos because really, if we grabbed that dude now, even if he was the most forward thinking, intelligent person of those times and tried to explain how a tv works, including power, electronics, wireless transmission, glass tubes, plastic etc, etc., how would he even possibly understand it and then put it down in writing for the so called layman to understand.

And those who keep bringing up the corrupt catholic church in historic times as a example of Christianity gone bad have to realize the amount of death and destruction caused by other older religions before hand in pre-historic times that are not written down.
At least the modern form of Christianity teaches love, toleration and the lessons of right and wrong which guide the western civilization even today. The Christians i know don't hate homosexuals etc. but because they practice their form of sexual contact, they immediately have to accept that it is not right in the Christian mindset/belief structure, so they then forfeit the chance to teach others what is the right and wrong choice in regards to those beliefs. It would be hypocritical of them otherwise.

Some of you guys must have very little contact with the decent christians out there or contact with rather radical types. Or your views are based on what you hear and read, whether it be biased or not. How can you possibly judge a belief  like that and more seriously, how can you judge people just based on their beliefs.
Thats no better than racism.

[krasher]

first you have to prove what your saying. idiot

Idiot? That is just lame. Get a life.

[DaCollector]

Btw, the big bang theory is about as believable as the bible.

[BerG]

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Just disregard the red squarer.