that's a sad story - love killed by the holy war between science and religion
Nothing holy about it, I was arrogant. Plain as day and night. I have, well, almost have a BSc, not in physics but close enough. And I'm not saying it takes Christians to donate, I'm just pointing out that good things can come from having faith. Surely something that is powerful enough to make people volunteer their time and efforts by working in Africa with some of the world's poorest and most neglected, while appearing fundamentally wrong and archaic in modern society does deserve some shred of respect? I just think that in todays fast paced society a lot of people are overwhelmed by the rapid pace of change. I don't think it is a bad thing to have some mechanism to help catch those people who fall away, it doesn't have to be the church but from where I'm sitting it ain't the Auckland University Geology Department offering to help these kids out.
seems like the "christian encyclopedia" doesnt approve
The best thing about Finance Minister Bill English\'s latest Budget is that it does finally signal a much greater role for the private sector in the New Zealand economy. And another step along the way to extract this country from the political cul-de-sac in which Helen Clark\'s Labour Government parked us.
he is entitled to his opinion, but no-one is forced to post here - Some one should enforce that B Sc Physics as a minimum requirement to post in this thread
christian and bigot are synonyms.
my aunt is a bishop down south somewhere - she got involved with the church because she wished to do good - christianity didn't make her want to help people, she wanted to help people and chose the church to work through - there are good people in non-christian countries, people who donate there time to helping those less fortunate, and there are nonchristians who do the same - christianity is irrelevant to these good deeds
I'm sure he is a great dude, enjoys drinking beer, eating pizza and watching the game on the weekend like everyone else
because he is anti science - sure he doesn't believe the world is flat but he promotes the modern equivalent - (his views on evolution and the big bang)
my main problem is someone posted an interesing link to a man who is trying to find out about the universe - since this threatens his world view - he posted an uneducated reply (uneducated as he doesn't know the knowledge that maths has given us)
he is entitled to his opinion, but no-one is forced to post here
Some one should enforce that B Sc Physics as a minimum requirement to post in this thread
i personally find it repugnant that he has such a closed minded view on family's - once again his mild homophobia makes more extreme homophobia more acceptable
So you're pro-gay?
far from it, just pointing out that even the christian wiki doesnt support fleas claims of peace and understanding
doesn't that make you a hypocrite?
how so cobra was the one saying all the stuff refering to the topic i merely posted some stats
So what are your thoughts on the god stopping rain for people when they get out of thier cars flea.
I once prayed for a parking space - then one came available right in front of the store! God = win, right? Well, I got closer and realised it was a handicapped space ... God = fail, right? Not quite - I remembered I WASN'T handicapped and had that to be thankful for ... so I parked 500m away and got rained on.OK, I made that up. I'd like to think God was more concerned with knowing us, rather than sussing out parking spaces - or gaps in the rain - for us so we'll like Him better.
So why did she choose a church? Becuase they were a good place to help people throught? So churches do care about helping people, and aren't all about hate. Oh. Sounds like u just pwnd urself.That may be a bit out of context however, I feel that you deserve some lip but don't worry, it's not because I hate you.
I'm not anti-science at all, you have got that 100% wrong. For a start, my favourite book is A Short History of Nearly Everything, by Bill Bryson - if I were anti-science, I couldn't have read 2 pages of it. At the moment, I'm reading Guns, Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond - basically a history of the last 10,000 years of human civilisation and development. Again, if I were anti-science, I wouldn't be reading a book like this. I seek knowledge, and I make a call on how legitimate I think it is based on my belief system, what I know to be correct already and other corresponding information.Secondly, you seem to have my views on evolution and the Big Bang all wrong as well. I've never said I don't think either theory is correct - in fact, if you read my posts properly you'll find that I said I think both of these theories fit within my Christian beliefs.I don't believe Evolution is the reason why we are here - I find it unlikely, given what I have read and what I feel is right in my heart, that we descended from monkeys - however I do believe that Evolution exists as a process for improving/refining current species; its been proven that both plants and animals change over time (even humans have changed over the years) - I just don't think we evolved from monkeys.I don't believe the Big Bang came from nothing; I personally believe in the Quinquae Viae, a theory of causation put forward by Thomas Aquinas in 1274 AD. Summarised to three comments: "Whatever begins to exists has cause / The universe began to exists / Thus, the universe had a cause." HOWEVER I DO think that the Big Bang could be correct within this idea of divine causation.As I've said before, I think Religion and Science are mutually exclusive - one deals with the 'why' of our existence, while the other deals with the 'who/what/when/where/how' of our existence.
The thread was posted in a PUBLIC internet forum. I'm allowed to state my opinion.So I should sit back and say nothing because YOU don't want to hear what I have to say?That sounds like a great idea! The internet would be a great place if everything and everyone fitted in to Cobra's belief system and every comment was deemed acceptable by Cobra himself!The reality is, I think for myself and I state what I think. I'm not brainwashed by any religious hate cult. Christians are - for the most part - free thinking people who are allowed to make their own decisions on what they believe, knowing that at some point they will need to reconcile that with God himself.Conversely, your attitude towards my opinion is that I should be made to shut up - in the current international political environment, that would be called a Human Rights Violation, since you are supportive of removing my right to Freedom of Speech.
So you have a BSC Physics?
Frankly, this is more of the same Human Rights Violation - it wouldn't be a very good Religion vs Science thread if only scientists were allowed in now, would it. This just goes further to the point that you want Christian views abolished from this forum - in reality, you aren't right and there are people (like myself) who are willing to state what they believe, right or wrong.As you said, you like discussion which could potentially change your worldview - I'm the same! But my world view hasn't been changed to an anti-God stance by this thread. In fact, my faith has grown stronger since this thread has helped me figure out exactly what I believe on certain points that have been raised.Edit: one other thought: Religion and Science are topics that are relative to everyone, so everyone should be allowed to have a say. If you want to read only the input of people with at least a BSc Physics, maybe you should find a forum that caters to that.
I'm not a mild homophobic - I'm not any kind of homophobic.As I've said, Christians and other independent pro-family groups are against the BILL not the people affected by the bill - funnily enough, the only people arguing this point are you (Cobra) and Into the Void, both of whom have probably never listened to anything anyone from the pro-family side have said and thus have no understanding of where pro-family groups are coming from.
- whether God is real or not is up each individual person
^^^Huh?!Seriously, your posts above that one are becoming more and more absurd yourself mate. You want to stop and think before you start posting stupid shit here.For example, the reason krasher punishes is probably firstly, because he was TKed on purpose; secondly, because he felt wronged; and thirdly, because its a f*cking game - get over it.
