Religion. The evolution, creation and everything in between megathread

[Zarathrustra]

I'm sure you'll make the right choice... you were always going to.

I find the black eyes somewhat enchanting.

[KiLL3r]

Thats got to be one of the best Simpsons moments ever.  The bit you speak of is in there, they just cut some other crap in between it. (it's close to the end)

yeah there was too much family guy in there i felt like i was going to throw up

[dirtyape]

For those that don't read slashdot.org...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814150630.htm

So, inorganic substances can display the same qualities as life, reproducing, evolving, etc. Is this the origin of life on Earth?

Lets here from the creationists...

[ThaFleastyler]

Interesting theory. Does that mean the dust in my house is reproducing?

If it is, that could be a built-in excuse not to clean more regularly.

[cobra]

For those that don't read slashdot.org...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814150630.htm

So, inorganic substances can display the same qualities as life, reproducing, evolving, etc. Is this the origin of life on Earth?

Lets here from the creationists...

creationists ignore evidence that doesn't suit them - thats why discussions like this dont work

+ good find - very interesting

[KiLL3r]

Interesting theory. Does that mean the dust in my house is reproducing?

in a way yes. same as mould, moss, plants can

[Fragin]

This will probably happen sometime in the future. Then the story will be different and this entire thread will cease to exist.

[video]Qnq7N6X4x84[/video]

[Tiwaking!]

This will probably happen sometime in the future. Then the story will be different and this entire thread will cease to exist.

[video]Qnq7N6X4x84[/video]

Ahem. Credit where credit is due
http://forums.iconzarena.co.nz/showthread.php?p=410131&highlight=greatest+story+told#post410131

You are 26 pages too late

[Arnifix]

Ahem. Credit where credit is due
http://forums.iconzarena.co.nz/showthread.php?p=410131&highlight=greatest+story+told#post410131

You are 26 pages too late

every post is a repost of a repost.

[DEATH0WL]

Lol I never get tired of that Terminator Jesus video...

"What are you, some kind of wise guy?" Well... actually, Yes."

"And you cannot go around killing people!" "Why?" "because it is one of gods commandments "thou shalt not kill"" ... continues to ask "Why?" for awhile.

[Fragin]

Ahem. Credit where credit is due


You are 26 pages too late

What? ahh ffs.

This thread is some kind of time machine.

[Fragin]

I got rep for it Tiwa. Did you get rep when you posted it before?

[Arnifix]

Religion. The evolution, creation and everything in between megathread

If you are Christian, please follow the above flowchart to determine whether you may or may not have sex. Remember, try not to enjoy it.

[Tiwaking!]

I got rep for it Tiwa. Did you get rep when you posted it before?

Yes I got lots of rep for that video. Im trying to catch up in this thread. Pages 1 to about 52 are from the Evolution and everything inbetween thread so I can skim through those. Unfortunately: Im out of time this morning so my response to Zarathrustra refuting his anti-free will proposal will have to wait til tonight

[Zarathrustra]

Im out of time this morning so my response to Zarathrustra refuting his anti-free will proposal will have to wait til tonight

/me waits to get pwned.:eek:

[Kerberos]

LOL at flow chart

[Tiwaking!]

/me waits to get pwned.:eek:

I've been debating with myself as to how to respond to the idea of Free Will and have decided to make it two parts. The first part is very simple and to the point:

It's ALL Free Will! The fact that you choose is not free will, its the fact that you can choose at all.

Wherefore art thou reason?

Imagine we are playing Euchre. The trump suit is Spades. You have an Ace, King, Queen, Jack and Ten of spades. I have only a Jack of Clubs. You play the Ace which I immediately trump with the Jack of Clubs. Now the question I pose to you is:

Are we actually playing Euchre?

With absolutely no knowledge of what cards are in the deck, how do you know what you are doing is what you INTEND to be doing?

I'll expand the Analogy further:

Imagine you are at a Casino. Some people are playing at the different tables whereas other people are watching, waiting, drinking or celebrating. Does anyone in the Casino believe that their luck or skill at one table affects another? In fact, does anyone even wonder why they are at the Casino at all?

What you talkin bout Willis?

If you replace the Casino with Life and the players with people then you come to realize: Life isnt about choosing, its about their being Choices. Although Nietzsche deny's the idea of free will the fact of the matter is: People still play IN the Casino, it just doesnt matter what they play.

It is the being there that influences the events, not the activity therein

If you would like to investigate the idea further I suggest you learn about the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen Paradox

[TofuEater]

[video]NBZQfAYfH7s[/video]

[Alexo256]

NSFW
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Religion - VERY VERY good definition of religion.

TBH the best i've ever seen.

[SittingDuck]

Family explains all , you found a purpose for that video

and Alex, need a NSFW or something for that link

[DEATH0WL]

iGod! Repenting made easy!

Me:
where do babies come from?
God:
Babies come from the love between a man and a woman.
Me:
sexy time?
God:
What do you consider sexy?
Me:
you
God:
" What do you consider sexy?"? Me, ?
Me:
yes
God:
I see.
Me:
your HOTT!!!1!1
God:
You think I am HOTT 1 1.
Me:
yes
God:
And?
Me:
and i want you
God:
You can download me for free!

This proves that iGod is a slut

Quote was someone else's conversation with iGod. He's pretty much just like smarterchild@hotmail.com :chuckle:

[Poos]

What you talkin bout Willis?

If you replace the Casino with Life and the players with people then you come to realize: Life isnt about choosing, its about their being Choices. Although Nietzsche deny's the idea of free will the fact of the matter is: People still play IN the Casino, it just doesnt matter what they play.

It is the being there that influences the events, not the activity therein

If you would like to investigate the idea further I suggest you learn about the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen Paradox[/QUOTE]

[Poos]

What you talkin bout Willis?

If you replace the Casino with Life and the players with people then you come to realize: Life isnt about choosing, its about their being Choices. Although Nietzsche deny's the idea of free will the fact of the matter is: People still play IN the Casino, it just doesnt matter what they play.

It is the being there that influences the events, not the activity therein:

If you would like to investigate the idea further I suggest you learn about the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen Paradox

How can you say being there is more important than the actions you take, your actions will normally shape the out come more than the location. Yes sure if your in Iraq the location will have a very strong influence, but even in the worst of locations/situations there is still normally a better decision to make. Once again this is another example of limited and extreme thinking. Why does it have to be either ffee or fixed, why cant it be a mixture of both?

[Tiwaking!]

How can you say being there is more important than the actions you take, your actions will normally shape the out come more than the location. Yes sure if your in Iraq the location will have a very strong influence, but even in the worst of locations/situations there is still normally a better decision to make. Once again this is another example of limited and extreme thinking. Why does it have to be either ffee or fixed, why cant it be a mixture of both?

Because a mixture of both isnt a mixture of both. It infinitely regress's back to a lack of free will, which is why Nietzche(Who wrote 'Thus Spake Zarathrustra' which is what Zarathrustra is named after) denounced free will as an illusion.

I'll take your Iraq example for instance:

You're in Iraq. You want to get out. You go up to some random person in the street and ask for their help. They turn out to work at the Saudi embassy in Iraq and helps you to find the NZ embassy. They ship you out free of charge.

Scenario One:

You were predestined to find the guy and ask him to help you out: Predestiny 1, Free Will 0

Scenario Two:

It was a complete and utter accident driven by your random act to ask the nearest person for help. Predestiny 0, Free Will 1

Scenario Three:

Mixture of both(?!) - Free Will 0


Try using that example to clarify your argument because Im not seeing one there. And delete your other post you spammer :p

[Zarathrustra]

Placeholder. - WIll edit later

I need more time to think about his, and Bioshock is taking up that time right now. - By choice or not.