If there was some scientific proof for god, im there, the trouble i have with the concept of god is that god hasn't had an impact on the earth since we started recording and analysing things, what happen to that flamboyant god that was always doing magic tricks
true but to have a proper judgement you have to know what its about, what they believe and i dont think anybody here who doesnt believe in a god has gone indepth into finding one or atleast try to understand that some people just want to believe in a god.
If science keeps changing then how do we know that science about god or how the universe was created wont change in the future, changing everything you believed in. would you still believe that we came from mokeys, or start to believe the new science - monkeys come from us.
Tell you what keeps changing - the Christian idea that the Earth is the centre of the universe. Throughout history there has been a steady erosion of the idea that the Earth holds a special place in the universe. Most notable of course the case of Galileo who was persecuted for saying the Earth went round the Sun (Christians believed that the Sun went round the Earth). His book was banned along with any future books he might write and he was imprisoned and forced to retract.Detonator do you believe the Sun goes round the Earth? The bible says it does.It took the Catholic church until 1992 to apologise for that little mistake. The anniversary is coming up - 31 oct. You can celebrate the anniversary of the Catholic church "expressing regret" over that affair.Detonator can you admit that it has been science that has completely destroyed and exposed as a fraud the idea that the Sun goes round the Earth?
Sorry Fragin, call me slow, but where does the Bible say that again?More to the point, have you ever read a bible? Or even a single verse that would support this? If you do some reading on the topic, which I quickly just did, you'll see that the whole "sun orbits earth" thing was actually a teaching of Catholicism with no real biblical foundation (other than a mis-understanding of a verse or 2). This is in no way a Christian idea; just a pathetic Catholic idea. Get your facts straight before blaming the bible (or God) for the mistakes of man.I thought we were passed all this petty "bible says so" bullsh!t mate :disappoinEdit: And for the record, changing an opinion on the sun orbiting the earth once or twice in the recorded history of man hardly constitutes the description of "keeps changing".
Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, and 1 Chronicles 16:30 state that "the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved." Psalm 104:5 says, "the Lord set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that "the sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises."Maybe you should just assume that i can back up what i say in future instead of making yourself look stupid.
I mean, you do know that Psalms is a book of poetry, don't you?
The universe was created somehow, one of the terms used to describe our complete lack of undersrtanding about how and why we exist is God. Neither science or religion can explain how something can be made from nothing, i.e if God made the universe; who made god. Where did the energy come from that created the big bang, how was the vessel that contained the energy formed etc etc.If/when we ever find out how you can make something from literally nothing we will have the answer.Great debate but totally mindfucking as neither side has fuck all answers to the big questions we really want the answers to.
As opposed to what? Scientific text book? We are talking about the bible here.You are choosing to simply ignore the things that you don't agree with. Don't worry, it's normal.I think people's understanding of the Earth and how that idea has changed over the the course of history makes all of religion look stupid, and by association, those who practise it. Please explain how an idea that has been so completely and utterly exposed as false continues to be believed by people who believe in God? (Modern Geocentrism)
I believe science also requires faith.
Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, and 1 Chronicles 16:30 state that "the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved." Psalm 104:5 says, "the Lord set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that "the sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises."
Bible = Library. Do I go quoting poetry books from a library and call it science? You know nothing of the Bible so don't bother quoting it unless you learn how to read it. It is not a normal book. It is letters, poetry....what am I doing. I have said this already. Go read what I have said earlier. I am going to stop reading this again I think. It's all urs flea.
technically speaking the earth/world is fixed - its in a fixed orbit - so it all depends on your interptation of the english language
3723...shit, whrong thread. :rolleyes:
Bible = Library. Do I go quoting poetry books from a library and call it science? You know nothing of the Bible so don't bother quoting it unless you learn how to read it. It is not a normal book. It is letters, poetry....what am I doing. I have said this already. Go read what I have said earlier. I am going to stop reading this again I think.
Note that the quote from Psalm is used on the front page of the "The Fair Education Foundation, Inc." "since 1973". http://www.fixedearth.com/ Used as evidence (in their minds) for a Geocentric universe.
No way. This discussion about geocentricism is about as on topic as it gets. Some might regard this as the biggest fight between science and religion ever. Who do you think's winning?
you would be wrong - gravity doesn't care if you believe in it or not - you are still going to fall
Funny stuff KiLL3r.Although 'words' do get a bit mixed up and lost in translation, especially when most of it's metaphorical imagery.
There are still at least two scientific theories on gravity btw. There are many interpretations of our phisical world. There are also many interpretations of our emotional selves and spiritual selves. I don't think ANYONE has the whole/correct picture yet.But...back on topic.... Christianity is better. So there.
Maybe you shouldn't put scientific weight to 3 random poetic statements. I mean, you do know that Psalms is a book of poetry, don't you? And that Ecclesiastes is a figurative book of a man exploring his own frustration at being unable to deny the existence of God?So, again I ask, where does it say that the sun orbits the earth?(and I don't think I look stupid; I think you do)
