I do, have read it, enjoyed it and recommend it to others as well.I also recommend "Scientist confront creationism: Intelligent design and beyond."Reading it atm and it's worth following.
And here is the kicker. You will never, ever be able to disprove the existence of God using science.
You're missing the point! There is no SCIENTIFIC Proof of the existence of God. But there doesn't have to be. You are completely and absolutely ignoring the spirituality of it. Christians don't believe in God based on facts or theories, but on how they feel. You just can't comprehend that, and I pity you for it.
And that is why I will not post in this thread. How can you debate someone so ignorant and so arrogant."Spirituality is nothing but ignorance."The irony of this statement is exceptional.Killer, no one will ever win in this thread because people like you are so utterly entrenched in your narrow opinions.
But you are not debating. Christians can't counter scientific arguments with their own. Christianity is not founded on science. I then bring to the table the idea of spirituality, the very core of Christianity, and you cool it ignorance.This whole thread is just a Christian bashing exercise.
the core of christianity is power and money - spirituality is what they sellit's not christian bashing - science is anti ignorant, this is ignorance bashing - believing that humans were created is ignorant
and basically I think atheism is a ridiculous stance to take on the issue, if one lives there life by logic then the only logical position to take would be that of an agnostic
And science is not anti-ignorance. 90% of it is educated guessing and hypothesis.
I know this is taking it back a while but...I disagree with you. Without wanting to be rude to religions I regard the idea of a God as being quite ridiculous. I find no logical evidence or reason to believe in Him/Her. How then am I not an Agnostic? Well, I supposed technically Like Ngat Grim I am, I must accept the possibility of His/Her existence. It's supremely unlikely in my estimation, roughly on the level of there being pink elephants cavorting under the ocean - even after all this time trying to be open to the possibility. Do I call myself 'undecided' on the issue of there being pink elephants in the ocean because I can't disprove it? On the issue of society being kept down by shape-shifting lizards so that they can suck on humanity's negative vibes, on other things I am pretty damned certain of but cannot disprove? No! Then why must I be an 'Agnostic'? Really it's a situation which most people are in when they believe anything - can they utterly guarantee that it's true? No, I'm an Atheist, because I feel the balance of probabilities are so off, not because I'm being illogical.
You've assumed I'm a Christian.
Even at the height of my Christian days ....
FYI /\ is the way to respectfully disagree with the existence of a God. As a believer I do not find that offensive. It is written in a way that is not attacking and actually provokes thought instead of just insulting.Thanks Philo for your tone and patience in this thread. Your contributions are more than welcome.
what you said smacks of christian ignorance, if you are no longer christian your "90% of science is made up" sounds like you got brainwashed good and proper
When I was a Christian, I believed evolution occurred. I simply believed it wasn't random. The statistical chances of evolution happening the way it did is beyond comprehension. So it begged the question, and is still a question I ask myself, do we exist because of a natural statistical fluke, or because evolution is simply a tool of a higher power? In my mind science was simply a way for man to try and understand the complex workings of God.
There are many unanswered questions in life that science has not been able to answer. One of them is....how did you come to believe that you know everything?
That is the danger of science IMO. Many people have been tricked into thinking that they know something as fact when it is in fact, still only theory. At least I know that what I 'know' is based on faith.
evolution is not random