queers are alot like religous people in a way. They try to push their queer beliefs on us in the same way religion does. Albiet in a more colourful way.
Thats awesome - dismiss any evidence at all that might support a viewpoint held by a religious person
I think the single thing that shows that homosexuality is not normal is this: sex is a means of procreation, and our emotions lead us to a partner that we can procreate with. Homosexuals cannot procreate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animalshttp://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htmSo maybe homosexuality is more 'normal' than you suppose?
Flood mythology. Read up on it. The flooding of river deltas is an annual occurance that brought about the new growing season. Logically, a "great flood" would bring about an excellent growing season. Floods were also a common natural disaster. If you guys had bothered to check the Wikipedia article on flood mythology you'd have notcied that these topics have been covered. Far smarter minds than those found here have worked on these problems before.There weren't dinosaurs around 500 years ago, because we have farking reams of historical documents from those times. WTF didn't anybody mention the velociraptor opening doors and stealing food from the kitchen?The bible also teaches that whites are greater than blacks and that homosexuals are unnatural. Interestingly enough, a recent study has shown that the vast majority of the animal kingdom take part in homosexual acts. 1 in 5 male sheep are gay. Some penguins will bond in male-male pairs, fuck a female penguin and then drive her away after she's laid the egg to raise it with their male mate.The Bible is an interesting text that I should really get around to reading. But sadly, Lord of the Rings is taking up my fiction book inventory slot atm.EDIT: SM, you speak of LotR too. Gay secks?
I know you'll find this offensive krasher, but that's how it is.This post illustrates perfectly the problems I have with religion. reality doesn't fit the BULLSHIT you've been fed since a kid so reality has to go. BTW mean no offense all you want, your believes are sick and repugnant in this area.
Krasher has stated his opinions are personal, and they're obviously not without thought, so I'm inclined to be respectful towards them, no matter how strongly I disagree.
I certainly accept some fludity in sexuality, but on a simple level I just wouldn't want to go sleep with another guy.
WD there dude, you're the oly one to have thought to bring up Homosexuality in the animal world. It's a big issue for 'was definately not intended by God' and 'cultural choice rather than biological impeteus' schools of thought to consider.
has krasher had a negative effect on you? again it is extremities which are issues if it does not impede on you then you shouldn't at all be bothered by it... only these die hards are going to cause any real grief...
there are a million other things that have negative effects on society which are of more importance than cultural or religious differences. especially in NZ which is quite liberal with different religions existing in one society.
I was warming to you until then.I think all you are displaying are knee-jerk reactions.
i just think people should keep their way of life to themselves and try to force it onto others.
Do we want a whole world of Godless Infidels
i just think people should keep their way of life to themselves and try to force it onto others.People should be able to live as they see fit, as long as it doesnt break the law, force your beliefs on someone else or encroach on other peoples rights.
would you be respectful to a skinheads personal views?, christian hatred is more subtle but you must see that views like his have a negative effect on society - especially when kids are brainwashed into hating in large groups
you were singing a different story friday night after a couple of drinks. I guess if that is your view i will stop waiting for flowers
did you get raped?
In spite of Fingerz' reasoning about this being an extreme case TBH if I sat down with a bunch of skinheads who were being reasonable and logical and had displayed that all to rare trait of being willing to change their opinion on something, then yes, I would be respectful of their arguments. I think that'd be more likely to change their worldview than screaming and raging at them, and hell, maybe they're turn out to be right - I certainly wouldn't expect them to consider any opinion of mine against theirs unless I was willing to do the same. Only through that process of reason and avoiding knee-jerk emotional reactions can we all eventually hope come to some sort of set of correct conclusions as a species - knocking things like racisim and homophobia on the head.
only by your mum. She wouldnt take no for a answer
When flea commented on homosexuality not being his problem, does he actually mean that it is a "problem" or just something that doesn't affect him?Someone correct me here please, this has confused me.
Pro-creation is the ultimate survival technique - and sex is merely a method of doing that. Homosexual couples - of any species - cannot pro-create, thus it just doesn't seem normal or natural to me. Similarly, sterility or infertility is not normal, and when it occurs in a marriage, as someone brought up, its no less than a tragedy.You know, for a bunch of evolutionists, you seem to be a little down on the main way in which species advance themselves (pro-creation). Or is it just that I voiced an opinion, and you all now see fit to jump all over me?
^ I think you'll find most Christians, or any religious people for that matter, don't necessarily force their beliefs on anyone maybe just some of the more radical ones..Are you going to respond to my post on the previous page Philo-sofa?
I meant that it doesn't affect me, as in:a) I'm not gayb) I don't currently have any friends who are gayc) I don't hang out in places where there are a high number of gay peopleIt astounds me that someone could try and justify homosexuality as normal because dogs do it ... well, lets apply that to other situations: humans gang-rape women, and animals do that too - does that mean gang-rape is normal? Or is it not normal because animals can't film it and post it on YouTube?Pro-creation is the ultimate survival technique - and sex is merely a method of doing that. Homosexual couples - of any species - cannot pro-create, thus it just doesn't seem normal or natural to me. Similarly, sterility or infertility is not normal, and when it occurs in a marriage, as someone brought up, its no less than a tragedy.You know, for a bunch of evolutionists, you seem to be a little down on the main way in which species advance themselves (pro-creation). Or is it just that I voiced an opinion, and you all now see fit to jump all over me?
there's only one thing I can think of that would be more frightening to me than complete non-existence, and that would be if you somehow became trapped in your own consciousness upon death or something. Like, the brain dies, but you're just stuck in your consciousness for eternity, considering scientists don't know everything about the human consciousness it could indeed be a possibility.. but yeah you can say that if you cease to exist upon death, it wouldn't matter or it wouldn't be frightening because you wouldn't exist to experience such thoughts/emotions or whatever, and as some say: You came from nothing, you will go back to nothing. Still scares the everloving shit out of me and I just don't want to consider it, naive perhaps but I don't care
Ressurection? :sly: Are you sure you don't mean reincarnation? If that's what you meant, how do you think that would work? I had this thought the other night, what if when you die.. your consciousness, or your soul or whatever you want to call it (maybe even 'energy' would be the right word) might transfer to someone giving conception in the nearest proximity... or something... seems kinda stupid now that I think about but it seemed like a credible idea at the time :chuckle:
Why do you guys keep mentioning the 'invisible ' here, it's getting a bit ridiculous how many times you bring it up. In talking about 'God' we are talking about a completely different concept to any kind of invisible animal or something, can you not understand that? It seems like a very poor argument to use, a cop-out if you will..
Erm, isn't that what you're arguing, that it all just happened due to some inexplicable occurance of complete random chance, or...? Occam's Razor, sounds like a magic spell out of D&D..
Why, what would it matter?
From what I understand scientists have yet to explain how or why the very first cell made up of RNA done whatever the hell it done to evolve and become all life as we know it? (abiogensis) I'm sure there are many aspects of evolution that are yet to be proven beyond certainty.
thats why i hate philosophers, so fucken reasonableyou and fingers are right, i could learn a lot about being a better person from you atheists and buddhists - i find i hard not to rage at blind ignorant hatred, but will try to take a page from your books
