Well I was going to say Porn, but for some reason I didn't.
Then what the $#@! is all this thread about?Summarize it in one word.
Sure, although I do not really want to enter debate regarding them as I have crossed those swords many times, but I'll give you a couple. Originally Posted by Deuteronomy 20:10-1410 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies.
16 However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy[a] them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the LORD your God has commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God.
Also Judges 21, 1-24, the slaughter of a village and the rape of 400 young woman to provide wives to the Benjamites.And many others. A couple should be all that is required to qualify the statements.
Oh hello there.Remember how I said "Intercession is a dodgy issue in Christian Theology"?Well you've highlighted exactly why it is dodgy. This has NOT been the way it has always been. In fact, the idea of a personal God is a fairly recent invention in Christian Theology, back in the 18th century when Christianity became half-way sane. Before the Reformation, Christianity was what Islam is today. Islam has not gone through a Reformation and probably never will.So, the question is: Priests, Rabbi's, Rebbe's, pastors, ministers, archbishops: Why do they exen exist?Why do churches even exist?To be honest I would replace the word 'most' with 'all' in your sentence.They are all ignorant.
i have an awesome memory as i remember everything vividly when i was eight.And thats why im an athiest.
Wait. People believe that?Well $#@!, the atheists are planting fake dinosaur bones in the ground!!
That's some balls, referring to Deuteronomy about rape!The woman is forced to marry the rapist and live the rest of her life married to him. Who is really being punished?And it doesn't end there... I'd say this one is even kinder...I'm not even going to comment on that.
And it doesn't end with Deuteronomy.This is God giving rape victims to the rapist, then killing a child.So, go ahead and quote your Deuteronomy, I've quoted mine. Or was the second quote what you were referring to be killing the rapist...
2 Samuel 12Nathan Rebukes David 1 The LORD sent Nathan to David. When he came to him, he said, “There were two men in a certain town, one rich and the other poor. 2 The rich man had a very large number of sheep and cattle, 3 but the poor man had nothing except one little ewe lamb he had bought. He raised it, and it grew up with him and his children. It shared his food, drank from his cup and even slept in his arms. It was like a daughter to him. 4 “Now a traveler came to the rich man, but the rich man refrained from taking one of his own sheep or cattle to prepare a meal for the traveler who had come to him. Instead, he took the ewe lamb that belonged to the poor man and prepared it for the one who had come to him.” 5 David burned with anger against the man and said to Nathan, “As surely as the LORD lives, the man who did this must die! 6 He must pay for that lamb four times over, because he did such a thing and had no pity.” 7 Then Nathan said to David, “You are the man! This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul. 8 I gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more. 9 Why did you despise the word of the LORD by doing what is evil in his eyes? You struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and took his wife to be your own. You killed him with the sword of the Ammonites. 10 Now, therefore, the sword will never depart from your house, because you despised me and took the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your own.’
meh, I'm comfortable using god in discussion with Rice, cos I don't think anybody else has a god to ramble on about, in the thread right now. Theres plenty of people that identify themselves as christians, but don't believe in angels, satan, hell. it's quite bizarre how varied and at odds different flavours of it this 'one true religion' are.
Christianity has never been anything more than a way to get what you don't deserve out of life.
Ego.
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
What don't you deserve? Love? Support? Peace? Hope? Joy? awesomeness?
Jesus dieing for our sins as the ultimate blood sacrifice washes all our sins away. We are forgiven of all sins. this allows the holy spirit to live in us always. No longer do we have to go find a priest to pray for us, we can talk to the creator directly.
Then what the fuck is all this thread about?Summarize it in one word.
Rice, after a few of your answers, I'm curious to know how you view science and how it explains the world around us.You said you think the Earth is older than 6000yrs (as most evangelical Christians believe that the Earth is in fact this young). Do you subscribe to science's answer of the Earth being roughly 4.5billion years old? Or do you side with the Christian understanding that Earth is only 6000 years young?I'm a little confused with what you have said in response to some questions. You believe that humans lived to 700yrs of age once upon a time, do you also believe that we were once giants?
Are you dodging this on purpose or did you just miss it?
Just want to ask a question unrelated to what I posted:Why is it that christians believe everything in the old testament is no longer relevant to the history of christianity?They brush it aside because it's "old"?
They find no relevance in the fact that that was law? That rape plunder and murder was ENCOURAGED?
Well, I've debated online with Christians before
and you still have a way to go with point-dodging,
the game is for you to contradict the points you believe you have an argument about in a way to make the athiest forget you ignored all his other valid comments. One of those quotes was out of context, yes.But this one:There is no excuse.The stoning one that you touched on, just because he 'raised the bar' after a while doesn't make it okay to have EVER said that.The thing is, no matter how you refute the things in the bible with changes and amendments it doesn't matter - it's all in writing on your book - that's evidence that it is god's law, even if it's different now, it doesn't change the fact that he said at one point in time you can kill someone for being raped and worse.
Undeserved Forgiveness?
Love is something between people, believing you are loved and a good person because you believe in something because a book told you it was real doesn't mean you should experience "love" - you can't be loved by something that doesn't exist, but the belief you are loved by something beyond us is very undeserved. It is a very very unhealthy love.
God gives love hope and joy to the evil just as he gives it to the good.
The evil believe they are righteous because God tells them what they do is the right thing.
"We are forgiven of all sins" - that is both detrimental and destructive to the human race to believe that there is someone who can forgive us for doing wrong instead of the person we've wronged forgiving us, or in cases of self-harm, forgiving ourselves.Imagine it-- someone kneels down and prays to something they BELIEVE in to forgive them for murder. Then they no longer feel guilt because they felt a chill down their spine? They go on living their lives thinking they have no more sin? That is horrible. With that alone, I will never forgive christianity.
Meh gave up listening to "read the bible" ages ago, mostly once I heard "the church" removed 21 books from it (Gospel of Mary for instance, and an entire section called the Apocrypha) due to them "contradicting" to much (and then latter branding the bible with "do not tamper with the bible" disclaimer).
What do you mean by this Oddball? are you saying you don't deserve being forgiven? if not please explain.Everyone deserves forgiveness. Everyone. There is no sin large enough for God not to forgive. If you TRUELY repent, and TRUELY turn away from your sin and you seek a relationship with Christ, you're forgiven =]
Nah its awesome. When things go bad i immediately and cast my cares on him. I can throw my worries and fears on him and its lifted from me. Ofcourse sometimes i'd have to give it to him 50 times a day because for some weird reason i keep worrying about it even though i know that God will handle it.
What do you mean it's 'not relevant' (the old testament)? It was relevant at one point, correct? That at one point, God had made those laws for humans to govern themselves by, yes?At one point in time, God had said it's okay to rape, even encouraged it, and killing of the rape victim / marrying her rapist / etc.
I don't understand why you'd think that there's no relevance on what the law used to be concerning the history of Christianity. I know it's not relevant NOW, but it was back then.The point is if you can make laws, and you make laws allowing murder, rape, slavery, and human sacrifice, regardless of changing them in the future -- It does not make it okay. Do you know why a sex offender is given that label to live with the rest of their lives, even though they may change their outlook on life and their ways? It's because nothing excuses them for the past. I'll admit it may not be the best example but it happens for a reason. God is the embodiment of evil in my eyes. You might label a rapist / paedophile a sex offender because of a crime or even a mishap, but then what do you call God, who encouraged murder, rape (... you know the rest) in millions of people and took so many innocent lives?WHY is it okay for the Old Testament to be brushed aside then? It ISN'T. It IS relevant in Christian history because the Old Testament is the word of your god! THAT is the law that the people of the time of the old testament lived under, and god is guilty of those crimes. This is like Hitler coming back from the grave and changing his ways and everyone following him AGAIN! Do you know how preposterous that sounds? If Hitler was around NO ONE would trust him; yet god did so much worse than him and people follow him anyway!
I really know it must be offensive to compare someone you worship to someone like hitler, but it's how I see it. I see the crime.I disagree thoroughly, that is not how the world should work in my eyes - If I wrong my father, I will ask his forgiveness, if I wrong my best friend, I will ask her forgiveness. If I hurt myself I will have to find a way to forgive myself.Do I deserve forgiveness? That is up to the person who I have wronged to decide. If I have done something so wrong that they can not forgive it then NO I do not deserve it and god should NOT be a scapegoat for forgiveness, it would be going against common decency to think that something this person doesn't even think exists can FORGIVE me when that person will not.OTOH if you've done something minor and are hated for it indecently, it's up to you to come to terms with it and eventually forgive yourself knowing that the person is hateful, that turn generally happens when their hatred surpasses your wrong-doing, no?It's something you get when you deserve it. Not when you imagine some guy with a huge beard sitting on a cloud saying you're forgiven.Can't help to think I'm only elaborating on what I've already explained though.
This one is a bit sketchy for me. I know a lot of people who are sad and lonely and turn to your god to find love and acceptance. The thing is it's all fake, someone you believe in will do you what you believe they'd do not what they'd actually do. But if it gives good people who have had a tough turn in life some form of peace then so be it.OTOH I've met so many $#@!ty egotistical christian people who think they're loved because their imaginary friend holds their hand at night. They don't need this, they don't deserve this, they should learn to be humble and kind, and then maybe someone would actually love them. All their belief is doing is providing an excuse for the way they are.And then what about people who are evil that thinks god loves them. I mean, the bible is filled with evil-doing and encouraging it, it's extremely easy for an evil person to think they are a good person doing god's will. Think what being lonely and then finding love could do for someone with an evil mind?The point is, believing someone loves you when you're a really bad person prevents change for the better to some extents.
The worry exists simply because your subconscious knows you should worry, and that your conscious is alleviating problems based on your imagination. No offence, this is how I see it.
TBH Rii has a point. I've googled passages from the bible - I will never own another - or done a bit of research to back my opinions. But they are still my opinions and I'm talking to you not google!This is the thing with Christians. They are using other people's opinions - that is what religion is in a lot of cases; someone else's depiction of 'what's out there'. Essentially: someone directing you how to live your life, what to think, even what to feel - you guys call it 'the bible' - What I'm saying is my own belief, my own opinion, etc.
I think I should illustrate the point again that no matter what I say, I'm saying it out of my belief and if it sounds insulting then it's merely a difference in faith. I just want you to know I'm not trying to offend anyone. But I suppose that's a given with a thread of this nature when our beliefs completely contradict each other.
10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies.
Where is the rape in this passage? also don't forget this part!
Make its people an offer peace! So its clear here that God desires peace first. The city chose war instead. The city in this story were enemies, and God didn't want Israel to worship detestable Gods. Also Israel is taking back its land.
It's been common practice forever and a day that the spoils of war go to the victor. Also slaves of the Israelites back in those days were more like hired hands. Its late so i'll just post this here
Whats interesting here is that these people will be kept alive. If the enemy ever caught Gods people they'd chop of their ears, scourge their skin, slices open the pregnant women and their children turned into a million pieces.but ofcourse no one ever talks about that.Apparently God is at fault here for protecting his people.
I FOUND IT! This is an interesting read. i learned a lot! The benjamites were an evil people.
At one point in time, God had said it's okay to rape, even encouraged it, and killing of the rape victim / marrying her rapist / etc.
Where do you get your world view from? Did you just decide one day that eveyrthing is fake? or did someone tell you, well this cant be true as we have evolution, etc etc
The only thing going for Christianity is the hot bitch's attending church, but they don't put out......so yeah kinda moot point there.[/url]
yeah nah. When i was eight i remember having a birthday at mc donalds. Finding money in the car park by my dads shop and running to Snooker World to play spacies. but they are only flashes. Kayne must be an elephant!
Top Geary - 27th May 2016 at 12:10 AMI've learnt to ignore when you say derogatory things to me
