or~.... you can read the bible!
1 an teh fif hovr d00d sowndz, an ah seez sum star fallin from ceilin' ta flor, an he hash kayz to teh pits. 2 an he oepend teh pit, an lotsa shmoke caem from teh pit, an we no can haz liet. 3 An big inzectz caem outa the flor an they has big powrz like a skorpeenz of flor. 4 an they no can burn gwass or gween shtuff but only mawle an femail kitteh wit no head sealz. 5 an teh skorpeenz no can kill teh kittehz, only torrment for fiev monfs an teh torrment is liek skorpeen stings 6 an then kittehz sayz Is it can be "deth tiem nao pleex?" an kittehz no can has deth. Kittehz want to die nao, but deth iz runnin from tehm.
Quote from: Revelations 9:1-61 an teh fif hovr d00d sowndz, an ah seez sum star fallin from ceilin' ta flor, an he hash kayz to teh pits. 2 an he oepend teh pit, an lotsa shmoke caem from teh pit, an we no can haz liet. 3 An big inzectz caem outa the flor an they has big powrz like a skorpeenz of flor. 4 an they no can burn gwass or gween shtuff but only mawle an femail kitteh wit no head sealz. 5 an teh skorpeenz no can kill teh kittehz, only torrment for fiev monfs an teh torrment is liek skorpeen stings 6 an then kittehz sayz Is it can be "deth tiem nao pleex?" an kittehz no can has deth. Kittehz want to die nao, but deth iz runnin from tehm.
1 Oh hai. In teh beginnin Ceiling Cat maded teh skiez An da Urfs, but he did not eated dem.2 Da Urfs no had shapez An haded dark face, An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz.3 At start, no has lyte. An Ceiling Cat sayz, i can haz lite? An lite wuz.4 An Ceiling Cat sawed teh lite, to seez stuffs, An splitted teh lite from dark but taht wuz ok cuz kittehs can see in teh dark An not tripz over nethin.5 An Ceiling Cat sayed light Day An dark no Day. It were FURST!!!16 An Ceiling Cat sayed, im in ur waterz makin a ceiling. But he no yet make a ur. An he maded a hole in teh Ceiling.7 An Ceiling Cat doed teh skiez with waterz down An waterz up. It happen.8 An Ceiling Cat sayed, i can has teh firmmint wich iz funny bibel naim 4 ceiling, so wuz teh twoth day.9 An Ceiling Cat gotted all teh waterz in ur base, An Ceiling Cat hadz dry placez cuz kittehs DO NOT WANT get wet.10 An Ceiling Cat called no waterz urth and waters oshun. Iz good.
Jesus died for all of our sins, and if a true Christian, in a time of spiritual attack and weakness, commits suicide, that would still be a sin covered by the blood of Christ."
Suicide, Augustine determined, was an unrepentable sin. St. Thomas Aquinas later defended this prohibition on three grounds. (1) Suicide is contrary to natural self-love, whose aim is to preserve us. (2) Suicide injures the community of which an individual is a part. (3) Suicide violates our duty to God because God has given us life as a gift and in taking our lives we violate His right to determine the duration of our earthly existence (Aquinas 1271, part II, Q64, A5.) This conclusion was codified in the medieval doctrine that suicide nullified human beings' relationship to God, for our control over our body was limited to usus (possession, employment) where God retained dominium (dominion, authority). Law and popular practice in the Middle Ages sanctioned the desecration of the suicidal corpse, along with confiscation of property and denial of Christian burial.
The Protestant Reformers, including Calvin, condemned suicide as roundly as did the established Church, but held out the possibility of God treating suicide mercifully and permitting repentance. Interest in moral questions concerning suicide was particularly strong in this period among England's Protestants, notably the Puritans. Nonetheless, the traditional Christian view prevailed well into the late seventeenth century, where even an otherwise liberal thinker such as John Locke echoed earlier Thomistic arguments, claiming that though God bestowed upon us our natural personal liberty, that liberty does not include the liberty to destroy oneself (Locke 1690, ch. 2, para. 6.)
But kill yourself? Its GG and you drop down to the bottom of the Stacraft Ladder.
Quote from: Tiwaking!;1313262But kill yourself? Its GG and you drop down to the bottom of the Stacraft Ladder.And if I am not a member of battle.net?
Isn't that the case with most historical figures?They can only write about them after they've been born, not before.I see little reason to doubt the existence of Jesus, anymore then most other historical person. Most classical historians agree that he likely did exist.
:3 he was prophesised about in the bible. In the old testament. And spacemonkey is right on his points. There are also letters that people have written in regards to Jesus and the jews and his diciples written to government etc. Don't ask me which ones, i saw it in a doco ages back.also pontius pilate existed and he was the one who handed Jesus over to the jews. Would be cool to learn more about this.
and nor do most scholars agree jesus likely did exist. Fucking read the thread SM, it's all in here on previous pages.
The short answer to these points is that because God is omniscient He knew that Adam would sin, but such fore-knowing should not be translated as being causative. One illustration to explain this is as follows (remembering that all illustrations about God must fall short—a symptom of the finite trying to explain the infinite).... blah blah blah
No really, I hate reading what you write here. It's like you wrote the bible or something.
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1313305 and nor do most scholars agree jesus likely did exist. Fucking read the thread SM, it's all in here on previous pages.Where does it say most scholars don't agree he existed? Because that's not the impression I've got from my research.This thread is just a rehash of the same arguments over and over again, the 'Jesus never existed' argument keeps coming up as well, but i've never seen anyone link to a reliable source regarding it.
Quote from: Who_ate_my_rice;1313073The short answer to these points is that because God is omniscient He knew that Adam would sin, but such fore-knowing should not be translated as being causative. One illustration to explain this is as follows (remembering that all illustrations about God must fall short—a symptom of the finite trying to explain the infinite).... blah blah blahPLAGIARISM! WHERE IS YOUR SOURCE?Since you can't think for yourself, I'll bid you adieu.
Earlier in the thread, as well as pers comm with one of the eminent Religious Studies academics in this god-forsaken (thankfully) land...read the fucking thread from the beginning, I'm not going to find it for you, plus your research is flawed, based on websites by biased religious bigots no doubt. The general consensus amongst even-minded (even religious people) scholars is that jesus didn't exist, but that it is the message which is important. Basically it's about making a sow's ear out of a silk purse.
I'm a foul-mouthed fornicating, godless son of a bitch. I'm pro-choice and understand suicide more than the spouted bullshit rice breeds. Jesus is dead to me, god is dead to me, when I die that's it, no flames (other than those of cremation), no ascension to the clouds, just death, cold dark and still...until the bugs begin to feed. I've never been more certain of anything in my life.
The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day — the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account… You see, these misguided creatures start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time, which explains the contempt of death and voluntary self-devotion which are so common among them; and then it was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws.
Dogs don't go to heaven, rice.Dogs are just some animal, not gods choosen people.Where do dogs go where they die?Well it doesn't really need to be explained because then we have to think about where all life goes after it dies right down to ants and shit and we are too busy trying to find a loophole out of our own mortality
I wonder what happened to you Ngati :/ You sound mad and about as depressing as spoonguard!
Quote from: Bell;1313336Dogs don't go to heaven, rice.Dogs are just some animal, not gods choosen people.Where do dogs go where they die?Well it doesn't really need to be explained because then we have to think about where all life goes after it dies right down to ants and shit and we are too busy trying to find a loophole out of our own mortalityThank god.
