Topic: Religion. The evolution, creation and everything in between megathread

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Quote from: Nostargate;1478745
Meh gave up listening to "read the bible" ages ago, mostly once I heard "the church" removed 21 books from it (Gospel of Mary for instance, and an entire section called the Apocrypha) due to them "contradicting" to much (and then latter branding the bible with "do not tamper with the bible" disclaimer).
Also I refuse to accept the believe or burn in hell doctrine.
The only thing going for Christianity is the hot bitch's attending church, but they don't put out......so yeah kinda moot point there.

The lost section of the bible before the reformation. http://www.thelostbooks.com/kjvtoc1615.jpg


A lovely piece on QI where Stephen Fry talks about the bits they decided to leave out of the bible. The whole clip is worth watching, but the bit I am referring to is from 2.45



Reply #8025 Posted: April 04, 2012, 08:31:05 pm

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A lovely piece on QI where Stephen Fry talks about the bits they decided to leave out of the bible. The whole clip is worth watching, but the bit I am referring to is from 2.45
Biblical Accuracy is a joke.


Reply #8026 Posted: April 04, 2012, 08:57:06 pm
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This has nothing to do with anything. I saw it, then I laughed.

Spoiler :

I shouldn't of laughed. But I did.

And then.... it happened.

Spoiler :
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Reply #8027 Posted: April 06, 2012, 03:47:28 am
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Quote from: dirtyape;1478435
But probably the biggest thing I dislike about Christianity is the ignorance of most of the followers. Most have no idea the history of their religion, what preceded it, the political environment it evolved in, how it came about, why they believe it, and why it is so popular. To me blind faith is kinda abhorrent.

The Rage Against God is a book written by Christopher Hitchens idiot brother, Peter Hitchens.

In part 2 it hits right on something which should be obvious to any idiot. Unfortunately, Christian Apologetics are beyond stupid.
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Part Two: Addressing Atheism: Three Failed Arguments
 
In the book Hitchens cites atrocities committed under the Khmer Rouge as an example of crimes against humanity perpetrated by atheist states (skulls of victims shown).

In Chapter 9, Hitchens contends that the claim that religion is a source of conflict is a "cruel factual misunderstanding",[15] and that a number of conflicts, including The Troubles and the Arab–Israeli conflict, were not motivated by religion but tribal in nature and disputes over territory

Thats right. 'Religion is just one of many motivating factors for conflict'. This along with the 'Atheists are the worst moral guardians' is one of the


biggest and most obvious lies, but people fall for it time and time again.

For starters: Examples used for 'Atheists fight just as much as Christians' are, most typically, TWENTIETH CENTURY EXAMPLES because Christians are historically ignorant slobs. One third of Germany disappears off the planet thanks to The Reformation? The Amish almost being wiped out when arriving in America, land of Religious freedom? Apparently that is not as interesting as the Khmer Rouge or Stalin.


We will just ignore Mr Hitler and his Catholic cronies.

Reply #8028 Posted: April 07, 2012, 11:51:34 am
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It's selective ignorance as well, which makes it so much worse.

Reply #8029 Posted: April 08, 2012, 08:39:09 am
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Where's Rice gone?

Looks like:
 
Science - Over 9000
Religion - 0

Reply #8030 Posted: April 08, 2012, 11:20:22 am

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Would anyone like to try and defend Islam?

Sharia means: You Lose
http://www.radicalislam.org/content/islam-governing-under-sharia
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3. Does sharia apply only to religious matters?

No. Sharia governs all aspects of life, from relations between men and women to ethics in business and banking. Some aspects of sharia have become part of modern legal codes and are enforced by national judicial systems, while others are a matter of personal conscience. Entirely secular law is not an option under a classical interpretation of Islam, experts say. "In Islam, there is no separation between the secular and the sacred. The law is suffused with religion," says David Powers, a professor of Islamic law and history at Cornell University.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1264729/Child-bride-13-dies-internal-injuries-days-arranged-marriage-Yemen.html
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Legislation that would make it illegal for those under the age of 17 to marry is in serious peril after strong opposition from some of Yemen's most influential Islamic leaders.

Reply #8031 Posted: April 09, 2012, 08:43:19 am
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Where's Rice gone?

Looks like:
 
Science - Over 9000
Religion - 0
Give him about 3 days...

Reply #8032 Posted: April 10, 2012, 11:16:16 pm
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Give him about 3 days...

They said that about Jesus too and now look at the mess that made.

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haha o snap

Reply #8034 Posted: April 11, 2012, 12:59:40 am
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Where's Rice gone?

Full credit for him even making a show tbh, one wiff of Christian blood and you atheists start foaming at the mouth

Reply #8035 Posted: April 11, 2012, 08:18:27 am
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Quote from: dirtyape;1480021
Full credit for him even making a show tbh, one wiff of Christian blood and you atheists start foaming at the mouth

I suspect he is a Poe. Most likely using our collective rage to fight at the battlefront of a forum far far away from here.

Incidentally: You can usually spot a religion or dishonest movement by the way it both conducts itself and/or presents itself.

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my philosophy: If something promotes the negative aspects of one of the triad of human behaviour (Selfishness, Laziness, Ignorance) then you can guarantee that it is dishonest.




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I don't think he was, he was very subtle if so. Most of the poes i've seen have been much more troll-like and confrontational. But you never know.

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I tried to understand Tiwa's philosophy, but soon reached the Gateway of Unyielding Despair.

It was as far as I got.

Reply #8038 Posted: April 11, 2012, 03:40:08 pm

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I shall have to have a listen, unyielding despair should be the norm for an atheist

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I shall have to have a listen, unyielding despair should be the norm for an atheist
Sounds appealing.

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I don't think he was, he was very subtle if so. Most of the poes i've seen have been much more troll-like and confrontational. But you never know.

He has no hidden agenda or plot to overthrow the athiest masses, he is just passionate about his beliefs.

Reply #8041 Posted: April 11, 2012, 11:40:24 pm

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Oh sorry guys!  i totally forgot about the thread.  Huge apologies to Ape for not replying sooner, my mistake.

just got reaaaally tied up with work and the end of financial year accounts and everything.  Got a lecture from the accountant about YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE THE STOCK TAKE BY NOW!   hahahahha

I'm sitting here watching dragonball z with my cup of tea when i was reminded that hey there's still a debate happening man!   will post tomorow when i get time!  Have a great night :D
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Sounds appealing.

 Indeed. It is the requirement for a universe lacking a greater purpose.
Quote from: Bertrand Russell
That man is the product of causes which had no prevision of the end they were achieving; that his origin, his growth, his hopes and fears, his loves and his beliefs, are but the outcome of accidental collocations of atoms; that no fire, no heroism, no intensity of thought and feeling, can preserve an individual life beyond the grave; that all the labors of the ages, all the devotion, all the inspiration, all the noonday brightness of human genius, are destined to extinction in the vast death of the solar system, and that the whole temple of man's achievement must inevitably be buried beneath the debris of a universe in ruins -- all these things, if not quite beyond dispute, are yet so nearly certain that no philosophy which rejects them can hope to stand. Only within the scaffolding of these truths, only on the firm foundation of unyielding despair, can the soul's salvation henceforth be safely built.

One does not need to pursue faery tales in order to find purpose, ones existence is purpose enough. We who are fortunate enough to exist shape our world through our endeavours and will, our immortality is in our history, not in the fleeting spectre of the present, and certainly not in a future supernatural utopia.

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Oh sorry guys!  i totally forgot about the thread.  Huge apologies to Ape for not replying sooner, my mistake.

I eagerly await...

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Oh hi Ape. Are you also arising early to fight crime?
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Reply #8044 Posted: April 12, 2012, 05:13:39 am

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I'm trying to bring unyielding despair to the people before breakfast

Reply #8045 Posted: April 12, 2012, 05:27:52 am
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All that really highlights is freedom to find ones own purpose cannot be achieved under any religious belief. I can see why the mafia calls them "god"fathers, they also are rather adept at extortion.

Reply #8046 Posted: April 12, 2012, 07:36:47 am

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if there is a god, a lot of these christians are doing Satan's work: http://www.newser.com/story/143980/nun-80-charged-in-church-linked-baby-snatching.html
The trouble with god is you can justify any evil

and some comics:
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/atheism
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/extremists

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Reply #8049 Posted: April 20, 2012, 05:20:01 pm
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