Religion. The evolution, creation and everything in between megathread

[Hannibal4life]

once again im being ignored by religous facist (hannibal) because they know im right :sunnies:

Actually i have been reading the 10 pages of posts i missed during my R&R period in BF2142.

I love it when people in here claim a minor victory 5 minutes after they reply to your thread.
So desperate for gratification :violin:

[BerG]

Or he could come back like he said he would in the way he said he will, and people will be like "damn shud a listened eh bro"

LOL.

We all hope he does. It would be awesome if there was a heaven we could go to when we die and play around forever.

Unfortunately there isn't and you fail.

[KiLL3r]

Can you answer just 1 question for me then hannibal.

Where is heaven located?

[dirtyape]

it is interesting that the foot prints - which could be easily fabricated - are enough for religious types to claim that "evolution has been obliterated!".

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/dino-human-coexistence-implications.htm

That is kind of like saying a helium balloon is proof that there is no gravity. It's proposterous.

The only evidence that will really screw up evolution is discovering a human fossile that can be dated accurately. Foot prints are not evidence.

[ThaFleastyler]

Dude i dunno what your prob is. My gramma is brylint, and i kan spall lyke the bezt ov ewes

My main problem - as a Christian - is that this thread got hijacked by a few "I'm right, you're wrong" Christian dudes who have no idea how to conduct themselves in a serious discussion in which compelling evidence is presented supporting both sides. You'll notice that those who are against Religion in this discussion only started getting silly and petty after people like yourself did. Far too often Christians either 1) resort to "doesn't matter what you say, I'm right" tactics, or 2) disappear entirely, when faced with a serious argument. If you can't answer someones claim, just say so - there is no shame in admitting that you simply don't have an answer.

As for your comment "Or he could come back like he said he would in the way he said he will, and people will be like "damn shud a listened eh bro"", I was merely illustrating a point that, when it happens, judgment day will be nothing like what anyone envisaged.

And what I said about taking discussion seriously and answering claims seriously goes for the rest of you too! *shakes fist*

[Zarathrustra]

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The only evidence that will really screw up evolution is discovering a human fossil that can be dated accurately. Foot prints are not evidence.

If that happened, they would just go one preposterous step further, and say it was proof of god.

[BerG]

Fleastyler is a good man.

[Hannibal4life]

That site clearly identifies a human print within a dinosaur print in the renowned dino plains in the States. Talk about being ignorant, and sticking heads in the sand now eh...

And as for personal attacks bro - keep on task already. I personally think its juvenile to attack a person. Stating a belief is fine, identifying evidence is good, presenting a rebuttal to that evidence is great, rebutting the rebuttal is acceptable. Slagging someone off as a facist cos they don't reply instantaniously....

A major reason i've been MIA from here is cos it is getting more personal than topic centred. I don't mind BH and a few others who are remaining focussed, but i can't stand it when people get intensely personal.

The beauty of my current role is i have access to a variety of church denominations and a significant proportion of the spectrum of Christian belief. To some that may seem conceited to say i can confidently state the Christian perspective, but I can comfortably say i am in such a unique position as to claim that.

That may seem "fascist" to a non-christian, but then again here are the arrticles of faith in Christianity:

http://www.creeds.net/ancient/nicene.htm

It clearly reinforces statements already made in the forum, by both myself and Prowess

[ThaFleastyler]

A couple of other points ...

Where is heaven located?

The idea of heaven is based on a precept that there is a spiritual plain, not seen by the naked eye. In my own experience, this spiritual plain is where I know that God is real, because I can feel His love there. One thing that I believe is that this spiritual plain is the same place where love between 2 people exists - you can't see the love between 2 people because it exists in a place we can't see, in a spiritual connection. Theoretically, the soul resides permanently in this space, and heaven does too (as I understand it).

it is interesting that the foot prints - which could be easily fabricated - are enough for religious types to claim that "evolution has been obliterated!"

One word describes this tactic of over-exaggeration: fear. The outfits that run those kind of headlines are worried that the evidence doesn't cover its stance properly, so these outfits over-exaggerate in the hope that people will think the issue is so done-and-dusted that readers won't bother reading up on it, rather than accept the inevitable fact that neither side has a bulletproof, 100% correct, case.

The real truth is I don't understand how some things happen, and I never will.

/pointless ranting

[KiLL3r]

That site clearly identifies a human print within a dinosaur print in the renowned dino plains in the States. Talk about being ignorant, and sticking heads in the sand now eh...

No it doesnt it shows what looks/probably is a humans foot print in a bit of ground. there is no clearly distinguishable dinosaur footprint anywhere in that picture

[Hannibal4life]

No it doesnt it shows what looks/probably is a humans foot print in a bit of ground. there is no clearly distinguishable dinosaur footprint anywhere in that picture

Ah the beauty of sticking a head in the sand. Right i'll go MIA again.

[dirtyape]

i'm glad you have your eyes open fleastyler, it shows you are not a mindless robot.

And hannibal i would be careful about telling science that the head is in the sand. I don't know how many SOLID PROVABLE FACTS have been ignored or brushed off, yet you somehow think a few footprints are enough evidence to "obliterate" evolution.

[KiLL3r]

Ah the beauty of sticking a head in the sand. Right i'll go MIA again.

The only one sticking their head in the sand is you. I have been examining this picture closely and there is nothing to say it looks like a dinosaur footprint.



In fact if you look closely enough at the heel of the "dino" print its actually sticks up like this /\ , im no scientist but normally a footprint puts a impression into the earth not the other way around

[dirtyape]

the morte i look at that the more unauthentic it appears, for one the line between the toes and the ball of the foot is too clearly defined. I detailed analysis of it is in order. Call CSI

[BerG]

Doesnt that link monkey posted say thehuman prints are fabricated anyway.

[Phlexz0r]

It was probably Chuck Norris pulling the ground up.

[KiLL3r]

Edit. heres where i outlined it in photoshop. if it is a foot print like its supposed to be why is the bottom left of the dino footprint have a  shadow? IF it was sunken into the ground the shadow should be on the other side like in the rest of the picture

Religion. The evolution, creation and everything in between megathread

the sun is shining from the right

[KiLL3r]

well this debunks that whole picture anyways so we need not discuss it anymore

http://www.youdebate.com/DEBATES/creationism_footprints.HTM

[ThaFleastyler]

i'm glad you have your eyes open fleastyler, it shows you are not a mindless robot.

DANGER DIRTYAPE!!!! DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!!!!! *head swivels 360 degrees*

Seriously thanks man - and BerG too

I just think that, before I started back at church, I believed 100% in science, so to say that the church is right and science is wrong would be like saying that everything I believed until I was 22 years old was not true. In actual fact, as I've stated before, I think science and God (and the Bible) actually fit together, but I don't know how and I'm not learned enough to even start trying to explain it.

All I know for sure is that I absolutely, unashamedly, 100% believe in God and that there is unavoidable evidence that disproves such a claim :asian:

[Growler]

if i was god and came back, id just have a 24/7 party

water to wine, magical herbs, hoes for africa, the earth is fucked regardless, may as well enjoy it.

[Tiwaking!]

the morte i look at that the more unauthentic it appears, for one the line between the toes and the ball of the foot is too clearly defined. I detailed analysis of it is in order. Call CSI

Christian Scene Investigators? Ouu I wouldnt trust them. We all know what they did with the Shroud of Turin and Jesus's Tomb!

what the hells with the
unicorns?how about being more specific when you say what part of the bible has been proved wrong by science.

Just like I suspected, thought and found funny to raise because I knew you wouldnt have studied it. Behold! For all you unbelievers! Evidence of Unicors!

39:9. Shall the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or will he stay at thy crib?
39:10. Canst thou bind the unicorn with thy thong to plough, or willhe break the clods of the valleys after thee?

Making fun of people who have achieved a zero in Theology amuses me no-longer. Im going to ressurect another point I made but never fully discussed because I didnt realize the sheer weight of ignorance that keeps this thread afloat

[Tiwaking!]

I actually ripped this out of the other Religion megathread! Sorry about the out of contextedness everyone, but it seemed appropriate.

If Ghandi had been born 2000 years ago he most likely would have become a Jesus like figure today

So you're implying that 2000 years from now, people will regard him as such? Lets not forget that Jesus Christ had an immediate impact on history. I mean, He did RISE FROM THE DEAD! Or did you miss that part? Personally I can't remember Ghandi turning water to wine, or healing the sick, or rising from the dead, for that matter. Not only that, but books started popping up about the life of Jesus Christ almost immediately, and became known as the Gospels, plus His closest followers (the 12 apostles) went into all the world and caused an almost-immediate explosion of the Christian Church. Ghandi has had none of these effects on society at large, and in this information age, I'm sure we would have heard if he had.

People will NOT view Ghandi as a Jesus like figure for the simple fact that a) He claimed he was only a man. b) He claimed he was a Buddhist, and a Christian, and Hindu AND a Jew. c) He never claimed divine holiness or divinity. d) We have both is writings AND video footage of him i.e Proof of existence.

The point of my post was not to discredit the possiblity of Christ. In fact it was in response to the idea that Jesus was merely a "Martin Luther King" figure, which is entirely correct. I was merely to pointing out that given the lack of FIRST-HAND information about his TRUE teachings anyone could become an influential figure in biblical times.
Even Musilims give Jesus credit, but do not believe him to be the son of God.

Rastarfarianism: Faith moves mountains
Rastafarians believe that Haile Selassie I is(was) the temporal incarnation of God. This occurred in modern times and is quite a strong religious movement. Haile Selassie never acknowledged the movement as fact but unlike Ghandi he never tried to actively discourage worship of his personage.

Why is this relevant? Because Rastarfarians belief in an observable God frees them from the intellectual baggage of having to justify their beliefs!

Please note: Im not a Rastafarian

[ThaFleastyler]

Behold! For all you unbelievers! Evidence of Unicors!

I knew that unicorns existed when I saw that episode of The Simpsons where Homer kills the last one ... :disappoin

[BerG]

Stolen from GP

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[Arnifix]

Stolen from GP

Lol at The Rifleman.