Religion. The evolution, creation and everything in between megathread

[Tiwaking!]

Not if that god was deliberately fudging his own existence in order to test his followers faith in him. Which leads to teh ultimate absurdity in this whole thread - IT DOESN'T MATTER.

If God is fudging his own existence in order to test his followers faith then...

:tries to stop laughing:

then this means God believes that his followers have the intellectual capacity to come to the conclusion that God exists

BUT people can never percieve God(its in the bible people) other than through his works

........


Does anyone else see the paradox here?


And yes Tofu: It DOES matter. It is our intellectual IMPERATIVE to investigate everything, even Brendan Chipp believes this. But its our DUTY to be Intellectually honest. If you read a book and come to the end only to find that the ending sucks, you dont re-write the ending and tell everyone else who has read only half of it your ending! Its just the way things are. You either accept it or delude yourself.

Try not to live a delusion

[cobra]

Did you just paraphrase Ozzy Osbourne? Is nothing sacred to you?

It's originally from the bible - Ozzy must have paraphrased the bible and nothing's sacred to him

[TofuEater]

If God is fudging his own existence in order to test his followers faith then...

:tries to stop laughing:

then this means God believes that his followers have the intellectual capacity to come to the conclusion that God exists

The original assertion was in response to your premise that all science should lead directly to a God - that is not necessarily true as i pointed out. But then i don't really care where or what it leads to, i was just postulating a different perspective.

And yes Tofu: It DOES matter. It is our intellectual IMPERATIVE to investigate everything, even Brendan Chipp believes this. But its our DUTY to be Intellectually honest.

Of course it doesn't matter. When we discovered that the Earth wasn't flat it didn't change whether people believed in God/god or not. Do you think people denounced God when we first went through the Sound Barrier?

What i'm saying is that we have precious little time on this planet, so why would we waste that time on someone else's journey? Ultimately whether you or i believe or disbelieve in God/god matters not a whit. Just get on with living because - IT DOESN'T MATTER.

Live a good life, make the most of it and we'll all find out who's right after we've drawn our last breath.

[Brendan_Chipp]

For the last time. Stop quoting a SINGLE dictionary definition and implying that it is THE definition for a word. That's jus ignant.

I am simply quoting a definition from an online dictionary. I even posted a link to all the other defs too, just so noone would whine.

[Brendan_Chipp]

Did you just paraphrase Ozzy Osbourne? Is nothing sacred to you?

Ozzy, lol, no I don't think so. Not sure where I've heard that phaseolgy from. Just something I picked up I guess.

[Brendan_Chipp]

I accept possibilities as possibilities personally, for reasons already covered.

I accept the possibility of the existance of the entity we refer to as God. I accept the possibility of a universe teeming with life. I accept the possibility that our universe could have multiple dimensions or there could be multiple universes. It's all possible.

I see lots of closed minds around here, pretending to be otherwise, protecting self interests and positions. It's the way it's always been and it's just human nature afterall. Someone told me what you think and what you believe will never change what is, and what is is, no matter what you believe or think.

[Brendan_Chipp]

LOL.

That wasn't me.

Oh sorry about that. You're all starting to look alike. :chuckle:

[Brendan_Chipp]

God and Religion are irrelevant to science.

Umm, I never said they're not. :disappoin

[Brendan_Chipp]

. . . it might not be sentient life - but at some stage I do not think it is a unreasonable assumption to think Mars might have supported bacteria.

I'd agree with that assumption.

[cobra]

I accept the possibility of the existance of the entity we refer to as God. I accept the possibility of a universe teeming with life. I accept the possibility that our universe could have multiple dimensions or there could be multiple universes. It's all possible.

I see lots of closed minds around here, pretending to be otherwise, protecting self interests and positions. It's the way it's always been and it's just human nature afterall. Someone told me what you think and what you believe will never change what is, and what is is, no matter what you believe or think.

There is a huge step for saying it is possible for a god like being to exist to saying that there is a god - It is possible that pirates created the universe but it is so unlikely that you might as well ignore it

I dont think you can call people closed minded for refused to accept the existence of god, or unicorns or pixies or what ever - Scientists are by nature open minded people - nothing excites a scientist more then finding a whole in their theories - another chance to research and explain the world better - where as the christian religion is a religion of closed mindedness, i read somewhere that free thinking is the work of the devil  

Flea - sorry about the pedophile remark, didn't mean to offend you - I had just read many pages of prowess misquoting scientists with his poorly laid out posts and was angry - I dislike christians constant attacks on science be it stem cell research, the big bang, evolution or the earth being round and not the centre of the universe (and the whole "the universe is only 6000 years old thing" wtf?)

edit - i still stick with my believing in god is a crazy thing - not lock up crazy, just slightly crazy

[ThaFleastyler]

edit - i still stick with my believing in god is a crazy thing - not lock up crazy, just slightly crazy

Apology accepted dude. In light of your "slightly crazy", I don't think there is anyone in the world who ISN'T slightly crazy

[Black Heart]

How? The people who didn't believe still don't and those who believe still do - IT DOESN'T MATTER.

ok specifically in this case.
A) christian people beleive noahs flood caused it, quickly some few thousand years ago.
B) reasonable people accept geologists explanation of erosion and thousands if not millions of years of time caused the grand canyon.

If nobody gets taught (B) or is even allowed to speak of it, then children and students who don't KNOW and are either asking or being taught will only be taught (A).

Eventually (B) will be abandoned by the general population and A will be accepted as true.

it matters that people have proper education doesn't it ?

[Brendan_Chipp]

. . .  read somewhere that free thinking is the work of the devil

I read somewhere that Ricky Martin was straight. :chuckle:

. . . and the whole "the universe is only 6000 years old thing"

I never figured out where some folks got that 6,000yr old age of the earth idea from. It's certianly not mentioned anywhere in either Testaments. :sly:

edit - i still stick with my believing in god is a crazy thing - not lock up crazy, just slightly crazy

Seal said it best, "we're never gonna survive, unless, we get a little crazy".

We listen to Seal. He's got a face only his mumma could love and he's married to a hot supermodel. All hail Seal. :bounce:

[Brendan_Chipp]

. . . In light of your "slightly crazy", I don't think there is anyone in the world who ISN'T slightly crazy

It's not a requirement, but it sure helps. :silly:

[TofuEater]

ok specifically in this case.
A) christian people beleive noahs flood caused it, quickly some few thousand years ago.
B) reasonable people accept geologists explanation of erosion and thousands if not millions of years of time caused the grand canyon.

If nobody gets taught (B) or is even allowed to speak of it, then children and students who don't KNOW and are either asking or being taught will only be taught (A).

Eventually (B) will be abandoned by the general population and A will be accepted as true.

it matters that people have proper education doesn't it ?

I was meaning specifically with regard to their "beliefs". So someone may well come to the understanding that the Grand Canyon was carved by millions of years of erosion, but it doesn't necessarily follow that they will give up their belief in God.

And why should they? It's their belief and as long as they aren't harming anyone else by having it then they are just as entitled to it as the next person. Live and let live - if more people practised that we would find that a lot of the world's problems would go away. Well, that's my belief anyway.

[Brendan_Chipp]

I was meaning specifically with regard to their "beliefs". So someone may well come to the understanding that the Grand Canyon was carved by millions of years of erosion, but it doesn't necessarily follow that they will give up their belief in God.

Not sure how the formation of the Grand Canyon is connected to a belief in God.

Live and let live - if more people practised that we would find that a lot of the world's problems would go away. Well, that's my belief anyway.

Aye, I'd go along with that. :sunnies:

[Brendan_Chipp]

A) christian people beleive noahs flood caused it, quickly some few thousand years ago.

Where did you hear that? I've never heard of the Grand Canyon being formed by a flood in the time of Noah. There's a lot of wacky ideas out there in the world of Christedom.

[KiLL3r]

Everyone uses faith, no matter what. You excercise faith when you step into an elevator, or when you go on a plane. Both are acts of faith, whether you know it, or like it.

lol sorry i been away for a while BUT THATS PLAIN RETARDED! :laff:

[Wandarah]

I read somewhere that Ricky Martin was straight. :chuckle:

I never figured out where some folks got that 6,000yr old age of the earth idea from. It's certianly not mentioned anywhere in either Testaments. :sly:

I'm not sure it's 6000, but some genius added up all the ages of the people in the Bible - went back about 6000 years.

[Retardobot]

Where did you hear that? I've never heard of the Grand Canyon being formed by a flood in the time of Noah. There's a lot of wacky ideas out there in the world of Christedom.

Was on the news a while ago.

I think the national park rangers wern't allowing any investigations, or archeoligists (sp?) in to dig.

[Retardobot]

lol sorry i been away for a while BUT THATS PLAIN RETARDED! :laff:

Think about it kill3r.

You step into an elevator. in the very back of your mind, whether you consiously (sp) know it, or not, you are hoping the elevator cables don't snap. You are having "faith" in the strength in the cables.

[Arnifix]

Think about it kill3r.

You step into an elevator. in the very back of your mind, whether you consiously (sp) know it, or not, you are hoping the elevator cables don't snap. You are having "faith" in the strength in the cables.

However I'm not praying to a supernatural deity that the cables don't break. I'm just hoping that the engineer who designed the elevator and the company that manufactured it did a good enough job.

[Black Heart]

Where did you hear that? I've never heard of the Grand Canyon being formed by a flood in the time of Noah. There's a lot of wacky ideas out there in the world of Christedom.

its the link in the very first post.

Live and let live is that exact opposite of what the christians are doing. they are practising live/beleive what we believe, all alternatives must be blocked.

I'm totally for live & let live. I'm not saying a canyon disproves god. AFAIK nobody is, theres only 1 theory/beleif being supressed here.

[Brendan_Chipp]

However I'm not praying to a supernatural deity that the cables don't break.

I bet you'd start praying to something if those cables snapped, and you've got 60 floors to hit bottom. There be no athiests in a falling elevator.

I'm just hoping that the engineer who designed the elevator and the company that manufactured it did a good enough job.

Aye, hope is a good thing.

[Brendan_Chipp]

Was on the news a while ago.

Well if it's on the news it must be true. :rasb: