Religion. The evolution, creation and everything in between megathread

[Brendan_Chipp]

lol sorry i been away for a while BUT THATS PLAIN RETARDED! :laff:

School's out for today hey?

:fart:

[Spork]

I would say Zarkov is smarter than Chipp.

Well it would be a good judge ment to see it that way. Even Zarkov knows how to edit posts yet I see like 5 in a row on more than one page from Chipmunk.

[KiLL3r]

Think about it kill3r.

You step into an elevator. in the very back of your mind, whether you consiously (sp) know it, or not, you are hoping the elevator cables don't snap. You are having "faith" in the strength in the cables.

i know what he means but hes comparing faith (non religous) with faith (religous)

totally different things.

omg i hopped in the elevator and hoped it wouldnt shit itself therefore i must believe in fairy tales?

[Zarathrustra]

I'm not sure it's 6000, but some genius added up all the ages of the people in the Bible - went back about 6000 years.

Yeah, 6000 years is a widely accepted figure, working back from who begate who at what age and what not.  Old versions of the King James Bilble actually had the date printed in the margin of genesis - 4004BC from memory - Which means the world should have ended in 1996.

/me waits to be corrected or abused :rolleyes:

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

To see a conflict between science and religion all you have to do is look at raging debate in the US over Evolution vs Intelligent Design and which should be taught in schools to the exclusion to the other.

The the fault of the US, something like that would never happen in New Zealand, because New Zealanders know that state and religion should be kept separate, most religious and non-religious New Zealanders are fine with it. There is little conflict between science and religion in NZ. The conflict in the US is cased by the government mixing to things are are supposed to, and don't need to be mixed. Religion and science don't have to conflict, and in many places in the world they get along fine. It's the US which creates the problems.

True Ti, but at least those folks have read the bible. Picking and choosing which parts to believe out of it simply makes them complex idiots.

Not true, if someone wants to make an informed decision on what to believe in, that doesn't make them a idiot, it makes them smart. Yes, the bible does contain a whole lot of crap which is out of date, but is also contains good moral standards to live by. And idiot would be the one who believes everything he reads without thinking for himself. A smart person can separate fact from fiction.

ok specifically in this case.
A) christian people beleive noahs flood caused it, quickly some few thousand years ago.

Creationists would believe noahs flood would have caused it, not Christians. Stop grouping Christians in with creationists, they are not the same, and people grouping them together is what has been causing so much hostility in this thread so far.

I never figured out where some folks got that 6,000yr old age of the earth idea from. It's certianly not mentioned anywhere in either Testaments.

I'm not sure it's 6000, but some genius added up all the ages of the people in the Bible - went back about 6000 years.

Some priest did it once, he would of had to made alot of guesses, because i've read the first few chapters of the bible, and there is absolutely no way you can add up any dates, the numbers just are not there.

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

How did the superior being come into existance?

The point of a superior being is that the superior being has always existed.

[BerG]

Had to come from something.

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

Had to come from something.

No.

The principle of Causality (i.e every effect requirs a preceding cause), is based on a universe governed by the laws space-time.

If the universe was created by a supreme being, then that supreme being wouldn't be subject to Causality, thus doesn't need to come from anything.


Same question could be asked about the Big Bang, where did that come from?

The answer is the same.

[BerG]

If the supreme commander didnt come from this universe he still had to come from somewhere.

I hate thinking about where the first "things" came from, and how things started.

Leave me alone, I have a flight test tomorrow.

[Brendan_Chipp]

Yeah, 6000 years is a widely accepted figure, working back from who begate who at what age and what not.  Old versions of the King James Bilble actually had the date printed in the margin of genesis - 4004BC from memory - Which means the world should have ended in 1996.

/me waits to be corrected or abused :rolleyes:

There's no mention of the age of the earth or the universe in either Testament, period. The universe could be billions of our earth years old. The earth could be around the same age too. Noone really knows.

[KiLL3r]

There's no mention of the age of the earth or the universe in either Testament, period. The universe could be billions of our earth years old. The earth could be around the same age too. Noone really knows.

Young Earth creationism is a religious doctrine which teaches that the Earth and life on Earth were created by a direct action of God relatively recently (about 6,000 years ago). It is held by those Christians who believe that the Hebrew text of Genesis can only mean a literal six (24-Hour) day account of creation, that evidence for a strictly factual interpretation of the text is present in the world today, and that scientific evidence does not support Darwinian evolution or geological uniformitarianism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism



to sum it up its a religious doctrine designed purely to make science sound wrong, which we all know it isnt.

[Brendan_Chipp]

i know what he means but hes comparing faith (non religous) with faith (religous)

As I've already stated, faith is faith, and it's just a lack of understanding that folks have invented "religious faith" and "non religious faith". Faith is just a noun folks. It simply demonstrates "confidence or trust in a person or thing". (source)

I now await the barrage of abuse and condemnation. Flameproof undies on.

[BerG]

A person or thing that exists, such as a pilot or engineer.

[Zarathrustra]

There's no mention of the age of the earth or the universe in either Testament, period. The universe could be billions of our earth years old. The earth could be around the same age too. Noone really knows.

 A lot of events can be dated though, by records of geological, and cosmological events documented in the bible (don't ask me for specific examples, i cbf finding them.)  For this, we have Science to thank.

And a lot of old versions of the King James Bible did have 4004 printed in the margin.

This link looks like total crap to me, but I guess it's relevant. >> http://agards-bible-timeline.com/bible_timeline_online_40BC.html

[Brendan_Chipp]

Young Earth creationism is a religious doctrine which teaches that the Earth and life on Earth were created by a direct action of God relatively recently (about 6,000 years ago). It is held by those Christians who believe that the Hebrew text of Genesis can only mean a literal six (24-Hour) day account of creation, that evidence for a strictly factual interpretation of the text is present in the world today, and that scientific evidence does not support Darwinian evolution or geological uniformitarianism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism

to sum it up its a religious doctrine designed purely to make science sound wrong, which we all know it isnt.

If you can show me where it says the universe/earth is 6,000 yrs old, according to those Hebrew texts, be my guest. You won't find it because it's not there. There is no conflict between science and spirituality so far as the age of the universe/earth.

Like I said, there's lots of wacky doctorines out there in the land of Christendom. I just might make a few changes to that above wikipedia link.

[Zarathrustra]

Some priest did it once, he would of had to made alot of guesses, because i've read the first few chapters of the bible, and there is absolutely no way you can add up any dates, the numbers just are not there.

Bishop James Ussher is the man I believe (

[Brendan_Chipp]

A lot of events can be dated though, by records of geological, and cosmological events documented in the bible (don't ask me for specific examples, i cbf finding them.)  For this, we have Science to thank.

And a lot of old versions of the King James Bible did have 4004 printed in the margin.

And this has to do with the age of the universe/earth how?

I'll repeat - nowhere in Genesis (or any other book of the old and new testaments) does it state the age of the universe/earth. I guess you're hoping that the Bible says the earth is 6,000 yrs old. Good luck with that.

[Brendan_Chipp]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism

Here's some ying for your yang.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Earth_creationism

[Zarathrustra]

4004 BC - just read what i said, and look into it.

I couldn't give a fuck if the bible stated in black and white that the universe was going to be 6000 years old today (there's bigger holes than that) - Unless there was cake.

[Brendan_Chipp]

4004 BC - just read what i said, and look into it.

Why don't you? You're the one who bought it up.

I couldn't give a fuck if the bible stated in black and white that the universe was going to be 6000 years old today. - Unless there was cake.

Cake is good. Having some nice cake and ice cream now.

[Simon_NZ]

Some jokes for Space Monkey

Jesus Christ walks into a hotel. He hands the inkeeper three nails and asks...

"Can you put me up for the night?"


What's the difference between Jesus Christ and an oil painting?

You only need one nail to hold up a picture.

[Zarathrustra]

Why don't you? You're the one who bought it up.

Umm, because I'm already aware of it?

+rep when I can Simon.

[Brendan_Chipp]

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by mocking and being disrespectful to a religious figure such as Jesus Christ. There's no need for it.

[Hazard]

I don't know if this has been posted or not, but hey - made me laugh and thought it would be fitting for this thread.

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[Brendan_Chipp]

Umm, because I'm already aware of it?

But do you know what you're aware of? It seems not. It's laughable that you think your 4004 BC number somehow is a declaration of the age of the universe/earth according to scripture.