Topic: Religion. The evolution, creation and everything in between megathread

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Reply #1900 Posted: April 08, 2007, 08:02:43 am

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ok everyone - that is an example of how NOT to behave

Reply #1901 Posted: April 08, 2007, 08:56:58 am
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LOL.

Check out their website http://www.godhatesfags.com , it's pure hilarity, especially the "Fag Facts" page.

It's a shame these retards don't represent religion, it'd make this thread topic so much easier.

There's a youtube vid somewhere of a one-on-one interview with this bitch, it's also comedy gold.

Reply #1902 Posted: April 08, 2007, 10:09:55 am

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It's a shame these retards don't represent religion, it'd make this thread topic so much easier.
I'm glad they ain't representin yo! By the way, hope you guys are enjoying all the additional chocolate you get to eat on this religious holiday.

You're welcome :D

Reply #1903 Posted: April 08, 2007, 12:38:36 pm

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I'm glad they ain't representin yo! By the way, hope you guys are enjoying all the additional chocolate you get to eat on this religious holiday.

You're welcome :D


Doesn't make up for the beer i couldn't buy on friday

Reply #1904 Posted: April 08, 2007, 12:51:13 pm

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Doesn't make up for the beer i couldn't buy on friday

Complain to the scientific-based government that still recognises key religious dates on the calendar :P

Reply #1905 Posted: April 08, 2007, 01:59:49 pm

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The mother is a piece of work.

Strangely attractive in a bizarre way.

Reply #1906 Posted: April 08, 2007, 02:52:04 pm

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My theory on this whole jesus thing is this.

Mary and Joesph got it on outta wedlock and mary ended up pregnant. knowing that they would surely be stoned to death (as was the custom at the time) they fabricated a story thats she had been visited by a angel and was a pregnant virgin. To ensure that nobody ever found out they brought jesus up believing that he really was the son of god when in reality he was a bastard son born out of wedlock.


That makes more sense than anything else in the bible.

Reply #1907 Posted: April 08, 2007, 03:21:52 pm


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It's a shame these retards don't represent religion, it'd make this thread topic so much easier.


Good on them. These guys are in fact following the bible teachings correctly. The rest of you christians that turn a blind eye to homosexuality, adultery, or whatever are in fact HYPOCRITES.

The bible clearly states:

Quote from: Leviticus 20:13 on behalf of God
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.


So, these guys are actually promoting the christian religion CORRECTLY. The rest of the christians are just half-bred mongrel hypocrites that take all the good things from the bible but ignore all the things that are incompatible with society.

If you are homosexual - god hates you and wants you to be killed and burn in hell for eternity.

Great religion huh?

So, if you know any homosexuals, and want to be a good christian - go and kill them. :thumb:

Reply #1908 Posted: April 08, 2007, 04:02:44 pm
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Reply #1909 Posted: April 08, 2007, 05:26:31 pm

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Good on them. These guys are in fact following the bible teachings correctly. The rest of you christians that turn a blind eye to homosexuality, adultery, or whatever are in fact HYPOCRITES.

The bible clearly states:



So, these guys are actually promoting the christian religion CORRECTLY. The rest of the christians are just half-bred mongrel hypocrites that take all the good things from the bible but ignore all the things that are incompatible with society.

If you are homosexual - god hates you and wants you to be killed and burn in hell for eternity.

Great religion huh?

So, if you know any homosexuals, and want to be a good christian - go and kill them. :thumb:
QFT.

Although, I bet even these fundamentalists pick and choose which parts of the bible/holy scriptures to interpret whichever way fits their personal views - Just like all Christians/Jews/Muslims/Zoroastrians/whatever.

Reply #1910 Posted: April 08, 2007, 05:31:03 pm

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Good on them. These guys are in fact following the bible teachings correctly. The rest of you christians that turn a blind eye to homosexuality, adultery, or whatever are in fact HYPOCRITES.

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Actually: Just picking and choosing what you want out of a religious book is the definition of Religion.

Then....THEN after you've ripped out what you want and ignored and destroyed parts you dont want to believe and re-written things you dont agree with tell everyone else that your belief is the one and ONLY belief!

Yep. Pretty much true for all Religions though.

(In order: Orthodox(Original style), everything else)
Islam? Sunni, Shi'a, Kharijite, everyone else
Buddhism? Tibetan, Theravada, everyone else
Taoism? Tao Te Ching, Followers of Divine Lao-Tzu, everyone else

Then of course all the off-shoots declare the previous original and Orthodox style to be in error and that their way is the 'One true and best way'

Reply #1911 Posted: April 08, 2007, 05:33:05 pm
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Good on them. These guys are in fact following the bible teachings correctly. The rest of you christians that turn a blind eye to homosexuality, adultery, or whatever are in fact HYPOCRITES.

The bible clearly states:



So, these guys are actually promoting the christian religion CORRECTLY. The rest of the christians are just half-bred mongrel hypocrites that take all the good things from the bible but ignore all the things that are incompatible with society.

If you are homosexual - god hates you and wants you to be killed and burn in hell for eternity.

Great religion huh?

So, if you know any homosexuals, and want to be a good christian - go and kill them. :thumb:

Not so fast. Leviticus is a book in the old Testament - the New Testament deals with the teachings of Christ, which is where the "Christian" faith comes from. As i recall it, Jesus preached forgiveness, therefore it's anything but hypocritical and "lies" to forgive them.

So, i think homosexuals are safe from the Christians for the moment. :P

BTW - i'm not Christian myself (as anyone who knows me would attest), but i do think that if you're going to apply scientific reasoning to an argument, the least you can do is be accurate. :rnr:

Reply #1912 Posted: April 08, 2007, 05:39:11 pm
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i was looking for flat other day and thought i had found the perfect one. Close to town, Cable internet, low rent then i read the requirements....

"must be christian"  lol

Reply #1913 Posted: April 08, 2007, 05:58:27 pm


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Haha yeah there was  afew of those when I was looking at flats.

"We are 7 nineteen year old girls looking for a male flatmate. Beachfront house with Sky Sport, High speed internet and pool table"

Holy shit!

"Must be christian"

:(

Reply #1914 Posted: April 08, 2007, 06:56:02 pm

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Reply #1915 Posted: April 08, 2007, 07:21:43 pm
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Not so fast. Leviticus is a book in the old Testament - the New Testament deals with the teachings of Christ, which is where the "Christian" faith comes from. As i recall it, Jesus preached forgiveness, therefore it's anything but hypocritical and "lies" to forgive them.

So, i think homosexuals are safe from the Christians for the moment. :P

BTW - i'm not Christian myself (as anyone who knows me would attest), but i do think that if you're going to apply scientific reasoning to an argument, the least you can do is be accurate. :rnr:

II. Christ’s use of Scripture

As Louis Gaussen has asserted, ‘We are not afraid to say it: when we hear the Son of God quote the Scriptures, every thing is said, in our view, on their divine inspiration—we need no further testimony. All the declarations of the Bible are, no doubt, equally divine; but this example of the Savior of the world has settled the question for us at once. This proof requires neither long nor learned researches; it is grasped by the hand of a child as powerfully as by that of a doctor. Should any doubt, then, assail your soul let it behold Him in the presence of the Scriptures!

From here

To ignore a part of the bible is to ignore Christ's teachings. Ergo, you have picked and chosen what you want to believe

On another note: I cant find why Christians dont have a restricted diet! I thought I knew the answer(That one of the Council's vindicated it), but I can find no record of it anywhere on the interweb.

Im going to have to ask my girl friends mum, who is the Presbyterian ministers aide in Invercargill tomorrow. Im sure it has something to do with Jesus's actions as an individual(eating with sinners and the like), but Im not sure.

Reply #1916 Posted: April 08, 2007, 07:23:54 pm
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To ignore a part of the bible is to ignore Christ's teachings. Ergo, you have picked and chosen what you want to believe

I don't believe it at all. But according to the scriptures, Christ rose up against the authorities of the day (the Jews) and denounced a lot of what they preached in the name of God (including the Old Testament presumably).

Therefore, if you're going to slag Christians you should do so on the basis of what is written in the New Testament, because that is what details Christ's teachings and what the Christian faith is built on.

If you want to slag out the Old Testament, then it's the Jews you need to have a wee chat with.

Reply #1917 Posted: April 08, 2007, 08:47:29 pm
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Haha yeah there was  afew of those when I was looking at flats.

"We are 7 nineteen year old girls looking for a male flatmate. Beachfront house with Sky Sport, High speed internet and pool table"

Holy shit!

"Must be christian"

:(


Praise the Lord.

Reply #1918 Posted: April 08, 2007, 09:00:34 pm

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By the way, hope you guys are enjoying all the additional chocolate you get to eat on this pagan holiday.


Corrected for factual correctness.

Reply #1919 Posted: April 08, 2007, 09:17:57 pm

Let us retract the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wirebrush of enlightenment.

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I don't believe it at all. But according to the scriptures, Christ rose up against the authorities of the day (the Jews) and denounced a lot of what they preached in the name of God (including the Old Testament presumably).

Therefore, if you're going to slag Christians you should do so on the basis of what is written in the New Testament, because that is what details Christ's teachings and what the Christian faith is built on.

If you want to slag out the Old Testament, then it's the Jews you need to have a wee chat with.

So why is the old testament still in the bible? If it is now NOT the official word of god it should be removed.

So has god changed his mind on the whole homosexual thing? Because he said, stone the fuckers to death, then his son said forgive them.

I can just imagine it, "Jesus! you wait till you get home - i told those stupid humans to KILL all homo's! ffs!!! you've fucked it all up now you bastard!"

Reply #1920 Posted: April 08, 2007, 09:47:43 pm
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Reply #1921 Posted: April 08, 2007, 10:16:41 pm

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From here

To ignore a part of the bible is to ignore Christ's teachings. Ergo, you have picked and chosen what you want to believe

On another note: I cant find why Christians dont have a restricted diet! I thought I knew the answer(That one of the Council's vindicated it), but I can find no record of it anywhere on the interweb.

Im going to have to ask my girl friends mum, who is the Presbyterian ministers aide in Invercargill tomorrow. Im sure it has something to do with Jesus's actions as an individual(eating with sinners and the like), but Im not sure.


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He believed the Old Testament was historical fact. This is very clear, even though from the Creation (cf. Genesis 2:24 and Matthew 19:4, 5) onward, much of what He believed has long been under fire by critics, as being mere fiction. Some examples of historical facts:
Luke 11:51—Abel was a real individual
Matthew 24:37–39—Noah and the flood (Luke 17:26, 27)
John 8:56–58—Abraham
Matthew 10:15; 11:23, 24 (Luke 10:12)—Sodom and Gomorrah
Luke 17:28–32—Lot (and wife!)
Matthew 8:11—Isaac and Jacob (Luke 13:28)
John 6:31, 49, 58—Manna
John 3:14—Serpent
Matthew 12:39–41—Jonah (vs. 42—Sheba)
Matthew 24:15—Daniel and Isaiah

He believed the books were written by the men whose names they bear:
Moses wrote the Pentateuch (Torah): Matthew 19:7, 8; Mark 7:10, 12:26 (‘Book of Moses’—the Torah); Luke 5:14; 16:29,31; 24:27, 44 (‘Christ’s Canon’); John 1:17; 5:45, 46; 7:19; (‘The Law [Torah] was given by Moses; Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ.’)5
Isaiah wrote ‘both’ Isaiah’s: Mark 7:6–13; John 12:37–41 [Ed. note: Liberals claim that Isaiah 40-66 was composed after the fall of Jerusalem by another writer they call ‘Deutero-Isaiah’.  The only real ‘reason’ for their claim is that a straightforward dating would mean that predictive prophecy was possible, and liberals have decreed a priori that knowledge of the future is impossible (like miracles in general).  Thus these portions must have been written after the events.  However, there is nothing in the text itself to hint of a different author.  See The Unity of Isaiah.  In fact, even the Dead Sea Isaiah Scroll was a seamless unity.  But as Dr Livingston said, since Jesus affirmed the unity of Isaiah, the deutero-Isaiah theory is just not an option for anyone calling himself a follower of Christ.]
Jonah wrote Jonah: Matthew 12:39–41
Daniel wrote Daniel: Matthew 24:15

He believed the Old Testament was spoken by God Himself, or written by the Holy Spirit’s inspiration, even though the pen was held by men: Matthew 19:4, 5; 22:31, 32, 43; Mark 12:26; Luke 20:37.

He believed Scripture was more powerful than His miracles: Luke 16:29, 31.

He actually quoted it in overthrowing Satan! The O.T. Scriptures were the arbiter in every dispute: Matthew 4; Luke 16:29, 31.

He quoted Scripture as the basis for his own teaching. His ethics were the same as what we find already written in Scripture: Matthew 7:12; 19:18, 19; 22:40; Mark 7:9, 13; 10:19; 12:24, 29–31; Luke 18:20.

He warned against replacing it with something else, or adding or subtracting from it. The Jewish leaders in His day had added to it with their Oral Traditions: Matthew 5:17; 15:1–9; 22:29; (cf. 5:43, 44); Mark. 7:1–12. (Destroying faith in the Bible as God’s Word will open the door today to a ‘new’ Tradition.)

He will judge all men in the last day, as Messiah and King, on the basis of His infallible Word committed to writing by fallible men, guided by the infallible Holy Spirit: Matthew 25:31; John 5:22, 27; 12:48; Romans 2:16.

He made provision for the New Testament (B’rit Hadashah) by sending the Holy Spirit (the Ruach HaKodesh). We must note that He Himself never wrote one word of Scripture although He is the Word of God Himself (the living Torah in flesh and blood, see John, chapter 1). He committed the task of all writing of the Word of God to fallible men—guided by the infallible Holy Spirit. The apostles’ words had the same authority as Christ’s: Matthew 10:14, 15; Luke 10:16; John 13:20; 14:22; 15:26, 27; 16:12–14.

He not only was not jealous of the attention men paid to the Bible (denounced as ‘bibliolatry’ by some), He reviled them for their ignorance of it: Matthew 22:29; Mark 12:24.

The New Testament VINDICATES the Old Testament

If the New Testament Vindicates the Old Testament then the old Testament MUST be true

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Reply #1922 Posted: April 08, 2007, 10:46:58 pm
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Praise the Lord.

Join a flat like that and you will be wanting to leave within a month.
Ever noticed how females can be quite bitchy? especially when dealing with other females?
Well imagen the bitchyness//tention created by 7 of them and take a guess at where some of that rage is gonna unleashed onto when you are the only male in the house.

Stay far away from heavily populated female dominated flats.

Reply #1923 Posted: April 08, 2007, 10:51:56 pm

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So can you point to the bit where Jesus said "Kill all the fags"?

Reply #1924 Posted: April 08, 2007, 10:53:52 pm
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