So can you point to the bit where Jesus said "Kill all the fags"?
"But fornication and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is fitting among saints. Let there be no filthiness, nor silly talk, nor levity, which are not fitting; but instead let there be thanksgiving. Be sure of this, that no fornicator or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for it is because of these things that the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be joint-partakers with them, for once you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord; walk as children of light (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), and try to learn what is pleasing to the Lord." (Ephesians 5:3-10)The Bible does not teach that homosexual desires, or other forms of erotic desire, lust, envy, greed, covetousness (and so on) are in themselves sin though they may reflect a the universal diseased condition called sin. Temptation not acted on or responded to causes an individual to become stronger and does not incur moral guilt before the Lord. What God disapproves of is certain forms of behavior or conduct, and these certainly include homosexual acts. Heterosexual premarital activity seems to be equally weighted with homosexual acts in Scripture---both are sinful and worthy of death.
QuoteHeterosexual premarital activity seems to be equally weighted with homosexual acts in Scripture---both are sinful and worthy of death.
Heterosexual premarital activity seems to be equally weighted with homosexual acts in Scripture---both are sinful and worthy of death
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Well that's me fucked then. Unless i ask for forgiveness - then it's all ok, and i'm sitting on a cloud next to the "Big yin".
Can't help but get sucked into this thread.There is one passage (i believe) that says "one man should not lie with another" and from this it is taken to say that homosexuality is wrong and against God. It is most likely along the the lines of "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" a classic piece of misinterpretation that has been jumped on:ugh: by those who want it to mean what they want it to mean.If homosexuality was against God you would think there would be a passage about lesbians but may the Almighty likes a little girl on girl.:sunnies:
If homosexuality was against God you would think there would be a passage about lesbians but may the Almighty likes a little girl on girl.
It's only been the past 20-30 out of 2-3000 years that society has come to accept homosexuality (to a degree). And political correctness aside, it is an unnatural act and goes against not only religious beliefs, but is a bit of a punch in the face for evolution/natural selection.
Also, gayness is genetic. end.
Man = Mankind, which includes woman
Wouln't this mean the Bible is saying men and woman shouldn't lie togther also, how do you make more little worshipers if they can't bonk?
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
But you also say that it is an unnatural act, but if it is genetic how can it be unatural?It's like saying that a white tiger is unnatural as it is it's genes that make it white but it is not natural for tigers to be white.
Edit: Then again, going by your example of the ancient pre-bible people, perhaps homosexuality is a natural part of all human nature, and millennia of biblical guilt has conditioned it's way of thinking into all of us. - Who knows.
And I have a fairly good idea which kid would turn out the best.
You unite them with common belief, make yourself the spokesperson for the creator, and advise them if they do not follow your *cough* i mean GODS instruction then they will suffer for eternity.
Good in whose eyes? The Christians the Muslims or the Atheists?
.And while genes may not be passed on.
That is one of the most stupid things you have ever said. You receive your parents genes, it's what makes your hair black, or red in your instance, the color of you eyes, your skin. Genes from a genetic stand point define who you are. The whole chromosomes in the cell nucleus are grouped in pairs - 23 pairs in all or 46 total. One member of each pair has come from the mother of the individual and the other member from the father thing...
re-read it simon, he's talking gays. ie can't reproduce.
Ill get you everything you wantedIll get you everything you needDont need to believe in hereafterJust believe in meCos jesus he knows meAnd he knows Im rightIve been talking to jesus all my lifeOh yes he knows meAnd he knows Im rightAnd hes been telling meEverything is alright
The best defense rational people have is Occam's Razor, it just seems unnecessary to include in your would view a tricky god who would want to make it look like he didn't exist by including scientific evidence for the big bang and evolution
Haha religion....There have been/are 100's of religions over the course of humanity if one of them was/is right then the other few hundred are wrong.
My theory on this whole jesus thing is this.Mary and Joesph got it on outta wedlock and mary ended up pregnant. knowing that they would surely be stoned to death (as was the custom at the time) they fabricated a story thats she had been visited by a angel and was a pregnant virgin. To ensure that nobody ever found out they brought jesus up believing that he really was the son of god when in reality he was a bastard son born out of wedlock.That makes more sense than anything else in the bible.
To ignore a part of the bible is to ignore Christ's teachings. Ergo, you have picked and chosen what you want to believe
Homosexuality is perfectly natural. Birth control is an important part of the eco system. And while genes may not be passed on, knowledge is. Take 3 triplets and put them with seperate foster families. One with a fundie Christian family, one with a fundie Muslim family and one with a family who do not believe in god. All from the same blood, but those kids will grow up to be completely different. And I have a fairly good idea which kid would turn out the best.
No, the simplest explanation is 'God did it'The big bang and evolution theories aren't simple, they're very complex.Which is why Occam's Razor is stupid. .
I know people who grew up in religious families and turned out non-religious, as well as the other way round. Kids can still turn out well irregardless of their family background.Also, i'm sure the kids who are out at night breaking into peoples cars and damaging public property aren't the same ones who go to church on Sunday morning.
