Religion. The evolution, creation and everything in between megathread

[KiLL3r]

whats gods reason for creating the moon? and whats the reason for him creating a infinite amount of other galaxys?

[nick247]

bell theres more proof of jesus and his healing miracles and wine making than there is of dinosaurs existing and us evolving from apes of all things, why would we "evolve" from apes when god made us in his form

[BerG]

bell theres more proof of jesus and his healing miracles and wine making than there is of dinosaurs existing and us evolving from apes of all things, why would we "evolve" from apes when god made us in his form

Because all the dinosaur bones were just placed there by god to trick us.


+1 for most hilarious post in the thread.

[KiLL3r]

bell theres more proof of jesus and his healing miracles and wine making than there is of dinosaurs existing and us evolving from apes of all things, why would we "evolve" from apes when god made us in his form

are you serious?  what evidence is there of jesus outside of the bible?


NONE!


what evidence is there of dinosaurs?


MILLIONS!

everyday dinosaur bones are discovered. at this very moment somewhere in the world archeologists are excavating dinosaur bones. If you still dont believe in dinosaurs take a trip down to your local museum and stare face to face with TRUE evidence, not some fictional writing in a book written by 100's of different people over 1000's of years. Purple Monkey Dishwasher?

[nick247]

they arent bones of dinosaurs they are actually just trylobytes (those little ancient shellfish thingies) that have died like that and then been compacted by the dirt and sediment forming above them

God tests our faith in many ways and this is just one of them. Not everyone is supposed to pass the test

Just think people used to believe that the world was flat, but now noone in their right mind would say that. It is the same with god, just because we dont have the technology to see him now doesnt mean he isnt there, those with faith are like chris columbus

[BerG]

Ah, my mistake. I should have clearly seen that before. How could those be bones, silly me.


No but seriously, I think you're just joking now.

If not, you are one seriously brainwashed person. I dont think we can save you now.

Surely you're joking? Please tell me you are.

[KiLL3r]

they arent bones of dinosaurs they are actually just trilobite(those little ancient shellfish thingies) that have died like that and then been compacted by the dirt and sediment forming above them

God tests our faith in many ways and this is just one of them. Not everyone is supposed to pass the test

Just think people used to believe that the world was flat, but now noone in their right mind would say that. It is the same with god, just because we dont have the technology to see him now doesnt mean he isnt there, those with faith are like chris columbus

are you a fucking moron? so these trilobiteform themselves into exactly the same shapes?

unless your telling me museums are just passing round the same skeleton each week?

whats your saying is trilobite"magically" form themselves into identical shapes & sizes of the same species of dinosaur?

so yeah a 1cm long trilobite somehow transforms into a 5metre tall dinosaur?


MORON!

Religion. The evolution, creation and everything in between megathread

is a trilobite

Religion. The evolution, creation and everything in between megathread

and its spelt trilobite knob

[Bell]

hahahaha

[Zarathrustra]

they arent bones of dinosaurs they are actually just trylobytes (those little ancient shellfish thingies) that have died like that and then been compacted by the dirt and sediment forming above them

God tests our faith in many ways and this is just one of them. Not everyone is supposed to pass the test

Just think people used to believe that the world was flat, but now noone in their right mind would say that. It is the same with god, just because we dont have the technology to see him now doesnt mean he isnt there, those with faith are like chris columbus

LOL.

Enough said.

[ThaFleastyler]

from what evidence? to be honest there is no evidence of god. there is not 1 shred of credible evidence in the entire world to prove gods existence!

whats the evidence for ID ? evolution has fossils, big bang has the observable universe / it's movements and powerful telescopes to see more of it.

what is this scientifc theory? what calculations are there?

it's not science at all is it, it's just a theory, a non scientific theory. if it had any validity at all, you wouldn't need to pretend it was scientific. it would stand on its own merits, and it doesn't. and thats very sad because as far as theories go its one of the worst, because it answers NOTHING. the sentence 'god did it' does not satisfy anyones curiousity. it doesn't further anyones knowledge on how things have happened, its a total cop out.

this shows great ignorance

There is evidence for both evolution and the big bang

and how do you get scarcer than none?

You are fucking kidding right?

Maybe I am f*cking kidding, right.
Look, I'm getting tired of answering for every single little picky piece of bullsh*t you guys are holding against God, against Christianity, against religious teaching in schools, against whatever. But I have to defend it somehow - and the only way I know how to defend it is via my own understanding of it.

In my most humble opinion, Intelligent Design is more plausible than the scientific non-intelligent equivalent, and since it deals with the same subject matter, I consider it a scientific theory, exactly the same as I consider evolution or the Big Bang a scientific theory.

As for evidence, science only knows about the Big Bang because they looked at some bits and pieces of unrelated stuff and GUESSED that might be what happened. I mean, lets be honest: no-one knows what happened at the start of the universe, let alone the start of this planet. If I was taking a stab at what actually happened, given that I believe in Intelligent Design, I would guess that the evidence that science concluded was a random Big Bang was actually God creating the universe. Surely He could've made a Big Bang as he was doing it?

Similarly with evolution: while I don't subscribe to evolution the way you guys do, I do believe it would be a pretty handy way to design a species, if I ever was going to do so. Surely God would have figured this out! Evolution is a real thing, that much is obvious, given even the little pieces of evolution that go on today - but I don't believe for a second we came from monkeys.

As for the existence of God, I have evidence that was presented to me, and I have made my decision. Nothing you can say - NOTHING - will ever make me change my mind. Even if I ever left the church (which is highly unlikely), the evidence presented to me is undeniable - I would be lying to myself now if I were to pretend I didn't know God existed. I don't know how to explain it to you guys and I possibly never will.

Sorry that my understanding doesn't match yours.
And cobra, please don't call me ignorant.

[ThaFleastyler]

they arent bones of dinosaurs they are actually just trylobytes (those little ancient shellfish thingies) that have died like that and then been compacted by the dirt and sediment forming above them

God tests our faith in many ways and this is just one of them. Not everyone is supposed to pass the test

Just think people used to believe that the world was flat, but now noone in their right mind would say that. It is the same with god, just because we dont have the technology to see him now doesnt mean he isnt there, those with faith are like chris columbus

Yeah, I gotta go with these other guys - if you were joking, then I LOLd with good reason; if you weren't, unfortunately dinosaur bones are real, and you'll need to sort out how you feel about that sometime.

[KiLL3r]

dont worry flea i respect your line of beliefs but when it comes to moronic idiots like nick GUNHO!


btw nick u say dinosaur dont exist because they are trilbites?

The last of the trilobites disappeared in the mass extinction at the end of the Permian about 250 million years ago

i thought the earth was only 6000 years old?

[Tiwaking!]

Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory. Just because moronic Christians say it is does not make it true. It belongs in a religious studies type class.

There is no scientific way to teach people that God created the earth! The only evidence you have is an old book, and only one interpretation of an old book too, I might add.

If "Intelligent Design" were a scientific theory, then why are there no published articles on it in scientific journals? I'll answer my own question. Journals are peer reviewed. The creationists don't want to get torn apart by real scientists, because they know they can't prove this shit! And that's what it is, shit.

If I walked into a maths class and tried to teach "Intelligent Mathematics" where god simply put the answers into my brain, I'd get laughed off the face of the earth. So why should Intelligent Design be any different?

The Incredible Hulk story

The Incredible Hulk was created during a scientific experiemetn which went horribly wrong. David Banner was subjected to a burst of gamma radiation giving him super-powers which involved him turning green, large and muscular when he loses control of his temper. As time has progressed many other incarnations of the Hulk monster and the original Hulk have come to pass.

How is this relevant?

As science has progressed so has the powers of The Incredible Hulk changed to accomodate the ever-expanding library of knowledge. The Incredible Hulk can split into the Grey and Green Hulks, can jump higher or occasionally fly, breathe in space and so on and so forth. For every miraculous discovery science claims, The Incredible Hulk benefits.

Thusly Intelligent Design a.ka HULK GOD benefits greatly from science by neither contributing anything of worth or stating any new facts. HULK GOD gets more powerful the more knowledge we gain about the universe, without ever having the need to justify his own exitence. HULK GOD, with his sidekick Intelligent Design, needs not prove by any observable natural phenonemon that he exists, because as Science advances HULK GOD'S become greater and greater.

[Tiwaking!]

they arent bones of dinosaurs they are actually just trylobytes (those little ancient shellfish thingies) that have died like that and then been compacted by the dirt and sediment forming above them

God tests our faith in many ways and this is just one of them. Not everyone is supposed to pass the test

Im sorry I just HAD to quote one of my favourite posts in this whole thread to reply to this one

A) It's not Spacemonkey's theory! I'm sure I and one or two others have said the EXACT SAME THING! It's featured frequently on tv shows about Noahs Flood.

B) Do you know how the Himalayas were formed? Quoting Wikipedia:

The Himalayas are among the youngest mountain ranges on the planet. According to the modern theory of plate tectonics, their formation is a result of a continental collision or orogeny along the convergent boundary between the Indo-Australian Plate and the Eurasian Plate. The collision began in the Upper Cretaceous period about 70 million years ago, when the north-moving Indo-Australian Plate, moving at about 15 cm/year, collided with the Eurasian Plate. By about 50 million years ago this fast moving Indo-Australian plate had completely closed the Tethys Ocean, whose existence has been determined by sedimentary rocks settled on the ocean floor and the volcanoes that fringed its edges. Since these sediments were light, they crumpled into mountain ranges rather than sinking to the floor. The Indo-Australian plate continues to be driven horizontally below the Tibetan plateau, which forces the plateau to move upwards. The Arakan Yoma highlands in Myanmar and the Andaman and Nicobar Islands in the Bay of Bengal were also formed as a result of this collision.

The Indo-Australian plate is still moving at 67 mm/year, and over the next 10 million years it will travel about 1,500 km into Asia. About 2 cm/year of the India-Asia convergence is absorbed by thrusting along the Himalaya southern front. This leads to the Himalayas rising by about 5 mm/year, making them geologically active. The movement of the Indian plate into the Asian plate also makes this region seismically active, leading to earthquakes from time to time.

GUESS WHAT! THAT MEANS THAT MT EVEREST... USED TO BE UNDER THE SEA! WITH THE CLAMS!

THE CLAAAAAAAAAAAAMS!

[Fubar]

why would we "evolve" from apes when god made us in his form

Now I'm confused.......but God created the Banana for us primates proving his existence....or is it her? Anyway here's a vid to convert the atheist :sunnies:

http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=3768875037baca5de6e2

[nick247]

how could the trilobites have been around 250million years ago when god only created the earth about 10000 years ago? Just because some book saids that is the case doesnt make it fact. Its just like the dinosaurs, theres thousands of books about them being real and being around for millions of years, yet i know they didnt exist and that it is just a test by god.

If these dinosaurs were around for as long as they were then that makes our existence futile, and god does not believe that, otherwise he wouldnt have sent down jesus to act as our saviour.

Let me put it this way, there are a tonne of books that say the holocaust was real, and yet it obviously did happen, so why cant it be the same with god?

you god deniers are just ignorant

[Sonic-NZ]

they arent bones of dinosaurs they are actually just trylobytes (those little ancient shellfish thingies) that have died like that and then been compacted by the dirt and sediment forming above them

God tests our faith in many ways and this is just one of them. Not everyone is supposed to pass the test

Just think people used to believe that the world was flat, but now noone in their right mind would say that. It is the same with god, just because we dont have the technology to see him now doesnt mean he isnt there, those with faith are like chris columbus

trylobytes?  Making up words now are we?

Also, I would like you to know that the world is indeed flat, I have nearly fallen off it but there's a nice rope around the edge of the disc.  In case you aren't familiar with world-edge-theory, the planet is a disc supported by a giant turtle that slowly moves through space on the backs of four elephants.  Anyone who says other than that will go to hell when death says "YOUR TIME IS UP", or if you're a rat "SQUEAK".  

Any beliefs other than this are simply preposterous and you must agree with me now before I condemn you all.

[nick247]

and its spelt trilobite knob

thats just what the books tell you, god told me how its really spelt

[nick247]

Also, I would like you to know that the world is indeed flat, I have nearly fallen off it but there's a nice rope around the edge of the disc.  In case you aren't familiar with world-edge-theory, the planet is a disc supported by a giant turtle that slowly moves through space on the backs of four elephants.  Anyone who says other than that will go to hell when death says "YOUR TIME IS UP", or if you're a rat "SQUEAK".  

Any beliefs other than this are simply preposterous and you must agree with me now before I condemn you all.

pff now your just being silly sonic

[KiLL3r]

how could the trilobites have been around 250million years ago when god only created the earth about 10000 years ago? Just because some book saids that is the case doesnt make it fact. Its just like the dinosaurs, theres thousands of books about them being real and being around for millions of years, yet i know they didnt exist and that it is just a test by god.

If these dinosaurs were around for as long as they were then that makes our existence futile, and god does not believe that, otherwise he wouldnt have sent down jesus to act as our saviour.

Let me put it this way, there are a tonne of books that say the holocaust was real, and yet it obviously did happen, so why cant it be the same with god?

you god deniers are just ignorant

Why do you think dinosaur are only in books?


There are dinosaur Bones, dinosaur footprints
and you know they dont exist how?

And they dont make our existence futile it just means we arnt the centre of the universe a bit like yourself nick.
And yes there are books about the holocaust, but there are also eye witnesses, people who are still alive who went throught that horrible ordeal.

Unlike the bible which has been written and re-written over 100's of years. Ever heard of the game chinese whispers? The same principle applys to the bible. One guy sees a guy cleaning dirt outta another guys eye, 100 years later that same guy cured a blind man!


your gold nick; classic gold

[Sonic-NZ]

pff now your just being silly sonic

Am I?

Think of how silly you sound saying a great man was born who had magically abilities.  He died, came back to life and then ascended to heaven.  There will be a rapture where he comes and takes the believers and leaves behind the non-believers.

What's to say Heaven isn't the name of his spaceship and he's just someone with good knowledge of fishing and first aid?

[Fubar]

god told me how its really spelt

Seeing you have a direct line could you ask him who i should pick for the Virtual Super 14 this weekend as I'm currently leading the office sweep and don't want to lose :sunnies:

[cobra]

And cobra, please don't call me ignorant.

I can't teach you reading comprehension

"this shows great ignorance"

you statement shows how little you know/understand big bang/evolution - you were showing ignorance

[ThaFleastyler]

trylobytes?  Making up words now are we?

Trylobytes are real!!! Seriously - 1024 trylobytes = 1 dinobyte

how could the trilobites have been around 250million years ago when god only created the earth about 10000 years ago? Just because some book saids that is the case doesnt make it fact. Its just like the dinosaurs, theres thousands of books about them being real and being around for millions of years, yet i know they didnt exist and that it is just a test by god.

If these dinosaurs were around for as long as they were then that makes our existence futile, and god does not believe that, otherwise he wouldnt have sent down jesus to act as our saviour.

Let me put it this way, there are a tonne of books that say the holocaust was real, and yet it obviously did happen, so why cant it be the same with god?

you god deniers are just ignorant

Frankly Nick, this arguement is just crazy, and there are so many alternatives that its nearly impossibility that we would all agree.

For a start, religious leaders, preachers and writers aren't agreed on whether the 6 days of creation were 6 literal days, or 6 periods of time defined as days by the writer of Genesis. Luther and Calvin are two preachers who support the 6 day belief, but to me it just doesn't seem probably. Adding up the ages of all the characters in the bible, then adding 6 days of creation seems like a nicely knit package, but it hardly makes room for the multitude of other factors to consider. Regardless, whether the earth is 4.5 billion years old (as commonly accepted) or 10,000 years old by some method I can't comprehend, it makes no different to my belief in God, so I just look at the evidence before me and acknowledge and consider each one.

To make the age of the earth more confusing, the 4.5 billion year age tag was given to the earth by a pretty hardcore Catholic dude.

Secondly, dinosaurs are undoubtedly real. Their bones are actual bones, thus there must be something to them. To dismiss them as a test from God just shows a real misunderstanding of God and His word. Dinosaurs existed, without any doubt - their bones and remains are here, so they existed. From a Christian perspective, God created all living things on Day 6 of creation week, so dinosaurs are probably around then - then, whether they were wiped 65 million years ago, or wiped out 6000 years ago, depends on your view of the age of the earth (if you believe that the 6 days of creation were actually long periods of time, dinosaurs could have existed earlier on day 6 - say around 9am - while humans came along around 4pm; however, if you believe in 6 literal days, then you concede that dinosaurs and humans lived together and God wiped them out because we just didn't get along that well). Either way, dinosaurs existed, fact.

Of course, I haven't even started to comment on the idea that the creation of man may not have been a physical creation, but a spiritual creation - have you ever stopped to think that maybe Adam wasn't the first man, full stop, but that he was the first man to whom God revealed himself? As I've said, I don't have all the answers, but I think it is fair to say that where God is concerned, there is alot to consider that may not be comprehensible to us in the state we are now.

Lastly, comparing the Bible to books on the holocaust is possibly the worst analogy I've ever heard. Aside from the books that tell us the holocaust really happened, there are also the reports from people who went into the concentration camps after the facts, the propaganda released by the Nazi government, the families of the victims - not to mention holocaust survivors and the mass graves of millions of victims themselves! Not saying I consider the holocaust more real than the Bible, but just saying its a bad analogy to make.

(My source for this post: "The Answers Book" by Ken Ham, Jonathan Sarfati and Carl Wieland. Not recommended reading for supporters of science, as it takes a hard stance on literal 6 day creation, a 6000 year old birthtag, and heavy skepticism about anything scientific.)

[Deagle]

I have a tendancy to believe things that I've experienced or seen with my own eyes.

 I jump off something, I hit the ground (gravity).  I throw something at a wall, it bounces off (Newtonian physics).  The plane travels fast enough for the metal wings to lift it off the ground (theory of flight/air currents).

I have yet to see anything that would make me believe in a singular higher power (other than Sonic), aliens (other than Cheech), or anything else that can't be proven with concrete evidence.  I realise this may sound awfully close-minded, however it does mean that I don't worry about things I can't affect or change.

A quick thought before I post this ....  If Jerusalem, birth place of Jesus and the land he spent his life in, is in the Middle East, why do all images showing a Christ figure show him as a European??  Think about that.