There is always a down-side to being God(or a God). This is one of themPineapples prove God's existence! The only people that God created were people who either like Pineapples or dont like Pineapples. This clearly shows God's divine plan for all of us, we just have to figure out which of the people God loves: Pineapple eaters or the Pineapple shunners
No doubt about it now. The argument is over. Here is your proof:
There is absolutely no way of proving the existence of a spiritual world
The universe has absolutely no use for a spiritual world
Further than that, you never show a picture of any kind of theorised "transitional species". Personally, I don't know how any person, Christian or not, could deny that evolution is a part of life on earth in the 21st century. It just is.
See, I believe that a spiritual world, or "plane", does exist, but I still don't know how to prove it.
Or from another perspective: God is a spiritual being and had a use for a universe ...
While I appreciate your zest Tiwa, I think that clip made everyone involved look bad.1) Atheist "Kelly" says that any historical documents that contain reference to Jesus are hotly debated and often dismissed as false - for example, when the Christian guy says about Josephus, the atheist guy says "its a fraud."
Also, what kind of stupid name is the Rational Response Squad? Were they purposely trying to sound like a group cartoon superheroes? Are they fighting against the X Men or the Justice League? FFS :disappoin
2) Christian Kirk Cameron is a dick. End of story.
I thought that you deny the fact that Man evolved from apes
Um. The historical figure of Jesus does happen to be quite fradulent, even the Christian side of the argument couldnt argue FACTS against that simple truth.
Evolution is totally against fundamentalist Christian teachings. Moderate Christians dont make as good reality TV
See, I'm gonna have to ask you for more information here - I'll need to look it up again, but some of the material I've read proves that Jesus was a recorded historical figure, from documents printed at the time (as in, not Christian documents).
Lucky I'm not a "fundie" then huh
I said "Personally, I don't know how any person, Christian or not, could deny that evolution is a part of life on earth in the 21st century." As in, evolution is definitely a real biological process. However, as I've said before, I believe that that fits in with the belief that God created humans uniquely.
so you believe that people ran about with dinosaurs
Dear God,Please help me to keep my mouth shut. Please give me the wisdom to understand when a thread is dead. Please give me discernment to know what I should and should not say. Please give me till tomorrow (or the next day) to answer these questions.Amen
That has nothing to do with Jesus' Divinity (or lack thereof, if you're that way inclined).I truly disagree with your point, if a sense of spirituality enhances peoples lives, and allows them to be happier, what's wrong with it?Though not religious myself, I support people having spiritual beliefs until the point where they infringe on onther's lives. I think anything helps people have a better life experience, or makes them a happier person is great, at least it's an alternative to LSD.:sly:
And this is why the Bible is the most produced book in the world, this is why new churches, sects and faiths are yielded every year. This is why people attend church, synagogue and their local mosque in their millions each week...because there's just not much to say about the spiritual world.
The bible is not alone in these affects, and try to fathom a world with no spirituality, it would be a very uniform, robotic world.I choose spirituality, I choose creativity it brings to me, I choose beauty it brings to my eyes. What do you choose?
You've always seen it in one light? Perhaps you should try looking at it differently?
We'll take it back to the point I originally debated.The universe, does not revolves around you. But the Bible's a fairytale, what's to say Jesus even existed? What makes him normal?
There is an old woman praying for her husband of 50 years who has recently passed away, through this process she can mourn her loss and take the first steps to move foward. Now go and tell her, her praying is of no use.
Claiming death owl flip flopped
Basically if there is no spiritual world, then God can't exist, Jesus was just a inspiring person, miracles are either hoaxes, luck or a delayed event
Quote from: Tiwaking!;300268If Ghandi had been born 2000 years ago he most likely would have become a Jesus like figure todayQuote from: ThaFleastyler;300401So you're implying that 2000 years from now, people will regard him as such? Lets not forget that Jesus Christ had an immediate impact on history. I mean, He did RISE FROM THE DEAD! Or did you miss that part? Personally I can't remember Ghandi turning water to wine, or healing the sick, or rising from the dead, for that matter. Not only that, but books started popping up about the life of Jesus Christ almost immediately, and became known as the Gospels, plus His closest followers (the 12 apostles) went into all the world and caused an almost-immediate explosion of the Christian Church. Ghandi has had none of these effects on society at large, and in this information age, I'm sure we would have heard if he had.Quote from: Tiwaking!;300449People will NOT view Ghandi as a Jesus like figure for the simple fact that a) He claimed he was only a man. b) He claimed he was a Buddhist, and a Christian, and Hindu AND a Jew. c) He never claimed divine holiness or divinity. d) We have both is writings AND video footage of him i.e Proof of existence.The point of my post was not to discredit the possiblity of Christ. In fact it was in response to the idea that Jesus was merely a "Martin Luther King" figure, which is entirely correct. I was merely to pointing out that given the lack of FIRST-HAND information about his TRUE teachings anyone could become an influential figure in biblical times.Even Musilims give Jesus credit, but do not believe him to be the son of God.Rastarfarianism: Faith moves mountainsRastafarians believe that Haile Selassie I is(was) the temporal incarnation of God. This occurred in modern times and is quite a strong religious movement. Haile Selassie never acknowledged the movement as fact but unlike Ghandi he never tried to actively discourage worship of his personage.Why is this relevant? Because Rastarfarians belief in an observable God frees them from the intellectual baggage of having to justify their beliefs!Please note: Im not a Rastafarian
If Ghandi had been born 2000 years ago he most likely would have become a Jesus like figure today
So you're implying that 2000 years from now, people will regard him as such? Lets not forget that Jesus Christ had an immediate impact on history. I mean, He did RISE FROM THE DEAD! Or did you miss that part? Personally I can't remember Ghandi turning water to wine, or healing the sick, or rising from the dead, for that matter. Not only that, but books started popping up about the life of Jesus Christ almost immediately, and became known as the Gospels, plus His closest followers (the 12 apostles) went into all the world and caused an almost-immediate explosion of the Christian Church. Ghandi has had none of these effects on society at large, and in this information age, I'm sure we would have heard if he had.
People will NOT view Ghandi as a Jesus like figure for the simple fact that a) He claimed he was only a man. b) He claimed he was a Buddhist, and a Christian, and Hindu AND a Jew. c) He never claimed divine holiness or divinity. d) We have both is writings AND video footage of him i.e Proof of existence.The point of my post was not to discredit the possiblity of Christ. In fact it was in response to the idea that Jesus was merely a "Martin Luther King" figure, which is entirely correct. I was merely to pointing out that given the lack of FIRST-HAND information about his TRUE teachings anyone could become an influential figure in biblical times.Even Musilims give Jesus credit, but do not believe him to be the son of God.
Consider the effect the spiritual has had, yes there has been tragedies, and death, but there have been great things
The Incredible Hulk storyThe Incredible Hulk was created during a scientific experiemetn which went horribly wrong. David Banner was subjected to a burst of gamma radiation giving him super-powers which involved him turning green, large and muscular when he loses control of his temper. As time has progressed many other incarnations of the Hulk monster and the original Hulk have come to pass.How is this relevant?As science has progressed so has the powers of The Incredible Hulk changed to accomodate the ever-expanding library of knowledge. The Incredible Hulk can split into the Grey and Green Hulks, can jump higher or occasionally fly, breathe in space and so on and so forth. For every miraculous discovery science claims, The Incredible Hulk benefits.Thusly Intelligent Design a.ka HULK GOD benefits greatly from science by neither contributing anything of worth or stating any new facts. HULK GOD gets more powerful the more knowledge we gain about the universe, without ever having the need to justify his own exitence. HULK GOD, with his sidekick Intelligent Design, needs not prove by any observable natural phenonemon that he exists, because as Science advances HULK GOD'S become greater and greater.
Perhaps the world would be a worse place without the Bible, perhaps it wouldn't?
The bible is not alone in these affects, and try to fathom a world with no spirituality, it would be a very uniform, robotic world
I choose spirituality, I choose creativity it brings to me, I choose beauty it brings to my eyes. What do you choose?
Homer: Kids, there's three ways to do things. The right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power way!Bart: Isn't that the wrong way?Homer: Yeah, but faster!
The universe, does not revolves around you.
It's important to realise, spirituality is huge for people, you need to think about others here, if you think their beliefs have no use in this world, think about this:There is an old woman praying for her husband of 50 years who has recently passed away, through this process she can mourn her loss and take the first steps to move foward. Now go and tell her, her praying is of no use.
Nothing says he really did exist. The real Jesus may have been just a thief that died through crucification and had his identity stolen and turned into something else. He's normal because he's still dead; and always will be
You can't have it both ways, either he existed or he didn't. For example's sake we'll say he did, it doesn't matter what he was, it's how he's perceived that's really important.I put it to you that this is the use of the spiritual world in our Universe. Ipso Facto, the Universe has a use for it.
Also, if you're going to be picky, the Universe has no use for spirituality. That's so astoundingly arrogant. The Universe has no use for any of us. If we all suddenly died, I doubt the Universe would even notice.
when i die i will ascend to a higher plane of existence just like daniel jackson
Will you also be a hippy?
