Religion. The evolution, creation and everything in between megathread

[DaCollector]

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Just disregard the red squarer.

Why, because your a brown noser and i'm not?

You obviously can't smell the shit through the ass hair boyo.

[DEATH0WL]

Idiot? You are just lame. Get a life.

What he's telling you is that you can't make something up then tell somebody to prove it when it doesn't exist.

The problem with this is that there is absolutely no way to prove the non-existence of something that only exists in fiction.

e.g.

Magic how do you prove it? You find a Wizard. But if theirs a Wizard it exists; if you can't find a Wizard you can't prove it doesn't exist.

You can only prove that things DO exist not that they DON'T.

The Christians i know don't hate homosexuals etc. but because they practice their form of sexual contact, they immediately have to accept that it is not right in the Christian mindset/belief structure

Only thing "wrong" about homosexuality is the fact it isn't exactly helpful to the human race.
 
However churches seem to be trying to lead the fight against homosexual rights. All though you may say it's a small number of people are doing this it's being funded by normal religious believers and that makes you part of the crime.

Think back when religious leaders promoted racism against black people, who believed they were inferior and deserved to be enslaved and treated horribly.

This is no different to that (only just different forms of abuse) you are going against what your own book teaches and insulting homosexuals and trying to deny them a equal life.

Honestly they need to get over it; as long as they don't bum each other in the streets or try to promote homosexuality then it isn't important.

[Bounty Hunter]

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Just disregard the red squarer.

or add your own!

And those who keep bringing up the corrupt catholic church in historic times as a example of Christianity gone bad have to realize the amount of death and destruction caused by other older religions before hand in pre-historic times that are not written down.
At least the modern form of Christianity teaches love, toleration and the lessons of right and wrong which guide the western civilization even today. The Christians i know don't hate homosexuals etc. but because they practice their form of sexual contact, they immediately have to accept that it is not right in the Christian mindset/belief structure, so they then forfeit the chance to teach others what is the right and wrong choice in regards to those beliefs. It would be hypocritical of them otherwise.

so you're saying that a minority of christians are decent? and that a minority of them are accepting of homosexuality, birth control etc? in that case you're not christian...

poser.

[woofnstuff]

i think the Norse/german gods are way cooler,  you had a god for every ocasion.
and the mythology is a much more interesting read than the boring named "bible"

ohh on that note 4 of the week days are named after norse gods
+rep to the first person who can get it right

[DEATH0WL]

both claimed to be the son of god and both cured the sick, raised the dead and where ressurected. So which one is the true son of god?

Good to see this thread back.

Now give me positive rep or I will disappear for 2000 years!!!

[Bounty Hunter]

i think the Norse/german gods are way cooler,  you had a god for every ocasion.
and the mythology is a much more interesting read than the boring named "bible"

ohh on that note 4 of the week days are named after norse gods
+rep to the first person who can get it right

thursday
friday
saturday
wednsday

[woofnstuff]

I don't trust myself. And as it turns out, I'm a pretty good judge of character.

hes right you know

[Pyromanik]

Science is not superior to faith.

Science is a measure of human technological advancement.

Faith is completley seperate.

Faith as an abstract concept cannot be compared with science, therefore neither can be superior.




Now stfu about it already.

[woofnstuff]

Sunday was named after the Sun.
Monday was named after the moon
Tuesday is named after Tyr (the god of war)
Wednesday is named after Woden, (Odin the all father of gods)
Thursday is named after Thor (god of thunder and lightening)
Friday is named after Freya (goddess of love and fertility)
Saturday names after Saturn, but also Sataere (another name for Loki)

thats it i think, at least im pretty sure

[Pyromanik]

Fuckit, I can't leave it alone, it requires another post:




There's nothing I hate more than some prick trying to tell me that I'm a dirty heathen and all I believe in is wrong.
You're free to have faith in your beliefs, stop trying to fucking impose them on me.

Also those that see the logic in science shouldn't bother you about being wrong for believing in your religion.

The two are perfectly capable of coexisting along side each other.
So stop with the fucking stuipd little hissy bitchfight to try and convert eachother to whichever doctrine.



But:
God made it that way IS a pathetic excuse.
It's a piss poor way of escaping from answering a question that has a perfectly sensible answer just because you don't know it.
If science has a perfectly logical answer, it's not disproving god. You can still belive and know the answer to why the sky is blue.


However, equally as much, I hate the science religion debate.
As I mentioned above, they can coexist. Stop with this one or the other shit. It's beyond retarded in itself.

If science has no answer, zealots jump up and down to go I TOLD YOU SO, HAHA, IT'S GOD!
What fucks me off more is those who become scientists PUERLY to use it to disprove science itself, thus promote religion.
I hate ignorance, and those who choose to believe that god did it over a logical and proven reason I have no answer for.
However I hate scientists that lose their cool and confuse these ignorant zealots for every faithful believer of a religion.
Just like when watching a sci-fi movie they sit there and go "oh, fucking sif that shit could EVER happen" and then proceed to harp on about it for the rest of the night, ruining the movie and they next few weeks of your live as they still don't shut up about it. It's a movie, relax and excercise a little creative discretion for the sake of entertainment you stuck up knowitalls, it doesn't all HAVE to be right!




For the science people:
You can breed and control the life of bacterium in labs, why should it be so hard to fathom the POSSIBILITY of it being true outside our own little ignorant earth?

For the religion people:
Sure God may have made the universe, but there is no continuity in religion.
The Japanese have their own creation myth that revolves around incest. Is that the true origin of the universe?


The amount of fucktards on earth, it might just well be.
The area is grey.
LET IT BE.

There's nothing wrong with a bit of good speculation...
But when it quickly turns to zealots trying to disprove eachother, it rapidly decends into FOAD territory.

[cobra]

Btw, the big bang theory is about as believable as the bible.

why would you say that? you know nothing why even bother typing? there is plenty of evidence for the big bang

and krasher - i have no respect for christianity, like i have no respect for skin heads or any other hate cults

[Pyromanik]

Sunday was named after the Sun.
Monday was named after the moon
Tuesday is named after Tyr (the god of war)
Wednesday is named after Woden, (Odin the all father of gods)
Thursday is named after Thor (god of thunder and lightening)
Friday is named after Freya (goddess of love and fertility)
Saturday names after Saturn, but also Sataere (another name for Loki)

thats it i think, at least im pretty sure

In Japanese (Chinese too afaik) it's:

Sun
Moon
Fire
Water
Wood
Metal
Earth

[Pyromanik]

why would you say that? you know nothing why even bother typing? there is plenty of evidence for the big bang

Before someone crys out 'oh like fucking what?'


This thread is just CRYING out for this:



http://xkcd.com/c54.html

Breif explanation here (about half way down):
http://xkcd.com/store/

And more detailed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBE

like i have no respect for skin heads or any other hate cults

zing!
They're all just cults to me.

[cobra]

For the science people:
You can breed and control the life of bacterium in labs, why should it be so hard to fathom the POSSIBILITY of it being true outside our own little ignorant earth?

sure - but scientists need evidence - if god came down and started doing magic tricks - like the ones that happened all the time in the bible - then scientists would agree that there was a god - but there is no evidence because there is no god, like there is no evidence for santa (sorry Bell), or the tooth fairy - science is anti ignorance and christianity promotes ignorance

[woofnstuff]

but you never know, there might be some big f**k off equation that the gods know... that make things go bang

[woofnstuff]

sure - but scientists need evidence - if god came down and started doing magic tricks - like the ones that happened all the time in the bible - then scientists would agree that there was a god - but there is no evidence because there is no god, l;ike there is no evidence for santa (sorry Bell), or the tooth fairy - science is anti ignorance and christianity promotes ignorance

no they would say hes an alien,  and using gadgets we can't see to trick us,  heck the  "colonists" would have looked like gods to some of the natives who just got "discovered" even tho they had been there for 100's of years.  there is always a way of explaining something you cant

[Pyromanik]

science is anti ignorance and christianity promotes ignorance

That's the part that riles me.
Those who can't accept that both can co-exist.

Like I said earlier, nothing worse than an ignorant believer yelling "YOU'RE WRONG, GOD DID IT!"

But at the same time I dislike those who can't respect someones faith telling them that they're wrong, because science proves many things that were once believed to have been caused by god.

[Arnifix]

Religion in general not only promotes ignorance, but also preys upon it. The less education someone has, the more likely they are to have religious beliefs. Preying upon the weak and the ignorant is one thing, but using these patsies to oppress the intelligent and strong is something every intelligent person should object to.

[Zarkov]

You guys validate Flea's beliefs by arguing the toss with him.

[Arnifix]

You guys validate Flea's beliefs by arguing the toss with him.

Flash, you should make Zarkov sleep outside tonight for that!

[Bell]

Can't be bothered today sorry. Maybe later. What's the point anyway. You wouldn't believe any of it.

I believe in strong evidence not faith therefore I would since I wouldn't use blind faith to dismiss someones proof.
Therefore you show me conclusive proof that some african tribe believed in christianity BEFORE they made contact with other christians and I will believe you.

I believe in crazy concepts like evolution and the big bang because of strong evidence so it shouldn't be so crazy that I can believe in other things.

[Mr_St1nky]

I tend to stay out of science v religion arguements. I know a devout christian that believes in the big bang, physics and all that stuff, yet doesn't believe in evolution. I dunno, you can make your mind believe anything I guess. I remember arguing for 2 hours that 300 wasn't a movie based on the story of Gideon (that what it's called flea?) of Gideon taking 300 men against 180,000 and winning with God's help.
It took 3 textbooks across the face, a dvd-cut to the cheek before I was granted the words, "Well, you may be right." Closely followed by, "but I still think that it's about the story of gideon."

[Bell]

yea no side is ever gonna get a "victory" from that argument but it sure is fun.
At a party once I managed to find myself in an argument with some crazy christian chick who believed the proof there was a god was the way the planets were aligned, she thought gravity should have made the planets be in order of size going out from the sun eg biggest first smallest last because she thought if you threw a handful of dirt out from a point the biggest bits land first.
Because they weren't that was proof there was a god.

Almost every word in her statement was completely wrong I didn't even know where to begin.
I just shook my head and walked off.

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

lets start with the bibles description that the earth is flat!

You are pathetic!


I was disappointed when I saw yet another thread turned into a religious debate.

And while I knew you would eventually come in and start posting you're stupid statements.

Then you say that the bible says the earth is flat.

It doesn't say that, even you you say it a million times, it doesn't make it true. You are wrong killer.

[ThaFleastyler]

*sticks head in* Uhh ... hi guys.

Seriously, I didn't mean for it to turn into this big silly debate - please, those of you who are inconvenienced by an accidental derailing of what started as an interesting thread, please accept my apologies. I'm sorry I brought it up.

To those guys arguing back and forth (Cobra, krasher, DaCollector) : I'm sorry, I stopped reading halfway through page 2.