Religion. The evolution, creation and everything in between megathread

[ThaFleastyler]

my friend lived next to a church that used to wake him up by singing U2 songs, if thats not evidence that the church does evil I dont know what is

It could've been alot worse than U2, admittedly ...

As far as forgiveness goes, I don't know enough about the topic to be able to authoritively state the biblical stance on it - however, I've always believe that if you ask for forgiveness from God then it has to come from a place of sincerity (both in terms of believing in God, and in terms of the geuniness of your remorse). I also believe that God looks after children who are too young or don't understand or whatever - what the "age" would be I don't have a clue but I'm sure God has it worked out.

[Into The Void]

Yes, i'm sure God can handle the billions of christians praying at once. Funny how thou shalt not lie. Yet christians take part in fooling kids and lieing to them about santa and all that shit. Hey, if santa was fake, then this god fellow seems a lot more farfetched to me.

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This thread is still going....legend

[KiLL3r]

I'm sure God has it worked out.

if in doubt, god will sort it out!

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Into The Void, if you come here (into Off Topic) make sure you dont have any opinion that, conflicts with Simon NZ or any other of the blokes, and/or makes them look like the narrow minded people they are, otherwise youll be neg repped all the way home.

Trust me, after a few times of posting subjective and well thought out replies, my rep screen was raining blood. So the thing to do is TO NOT GIVE A FUCK

[Into The Void]

Yeah, I don't really care, however i'd like to at least stay green. Just found it really funny how someone thought they knew who neg repped them, but actually they didn't. So whoever it was, you were wrong. Bad luck.

I'm not really serious about much of this, but I do think that religious people take their religion too far. If you wanna believe in god and stuff, thats fine. But feeling the need to go to church and knock on peoples doors trying to give them jesus books is a waste of time. If you want to spend your time doing something for the world, church and trying to convert people isn't helping anything.

[Who_ate_my_rice]

thats not what the christian i used to work with said. he said you can commit any sin no matter how horrific as long as you ask for forgiveness youll goto heaven,
 

Well thats a half truth.  First you will still go to Jail, and secondly if you aren't truely sorry your wont be forgiven.  On judgement day God will Judge you by your own thoughts.  So if you thought you could get away, but what i ment was.... you'll be told what you really did think and ofcourse you'll get owned.  But if The Lords blood is sufficient for you,  you beleive your sins are washed away with his blood because he died for you on the cross, and you know your name is written in the book of life you'll be sweet as.  

Thats my belief anyways.

also said babies and children who die young and cant ask forgiveness goto HELL!

so sry to those christian mothers who children died at birth because while your  safe with your god in heaven hes sent your child to burn forever in hell. Geez doesnt he sound like a nice guy

Those kids will all go to heaven.  They haven't sinned.  They don't know the difference between right and wrong, or know what they are yet either!  A sin could be explained as doing something wrong when you know it is.  Say for instance if someone was going to steal a car.  They think about it. They know its wrong and they do it anyway.  They will then be guilty of stealing.   So because they don't know what sin is yet they haven't yet sinned!

God knows innocence.  He knows what's truely in peoples hearts.  God knows the reason for everything.  If a little kid steals a pack of bubble gum.  He wont be going to hell.  He is just a little ratbag what does he know about stealing!  God isn't as clear cut as people make him out to be.  We can't even begin to understand why he does the things he does.  And i doubt we ever will.

[IndigestionMan]

The abrahamic god is a jekyll and hyde. More of a vain, sadist, tyrant than a benevolent deity. Who is this god trying to impress with acts of punishing people by sending them to hell anyway? Most likely himself since he's on top of the food chain according to religious dogma.

People should obtain their own morals or beliefs from their own real life experiences and free-thinking than to subject themselves into believing in idealistic fairy tales written over 2000 years ago by superstitious idiots.

[Popin]

God must be Korean, I mean, how else would he be able to micro manage everything in the world?

[cobra]

Well thats a half truth.  First you will still go to Jail, and secondly if you aren't truely sorry your wont be forgiven.  On judgement day God will Judge you by your own thoughts.  So if you thought you could get away, but what i ment was.... you'll be told what you really did think and ofcourse you'll get owned.  But if The Lords blood is sufficient for you,  you beleive your sins are washed away with his blood because he died for you on the cross, and you know your name is written in the book of life you'll be sweet as.  
e can't even begin to understand why he does the things he does.  And i doubt we ever will
Thats my belief anyways.

um.... count how many times you used blood in that paragraph - are you sure that you dont worship satan?

+ sins are different from laws - you can sin away and not go to jail

[KiLL3r]

they goto church and "drink" the blood of christ. if drinking blood isnt satanic i dont know what is

[ThaFleastyler]

Firstly, the idea of "the blood of Christ" and the practice of "communion" are both things that make sense within the context of the church and belief in God, but make little sense to people with no understanding of these practices.

Secondly, this thread is titled Religion vs Science; as Cobra has mentioned himself, lets keep it on the topic of Science rather than allowing it to become a church bashing thread - if you want one of those, Anotherbodybag started one a couple of weeks back.

Thirdly:

[woofnstuff]

Im sort of amazed this is still going, tho not surprised



religion was invented as a way to control people with non-rational and unprovable fear.
there was a time in the "dark ages" when the population needed some guides on morals which is where things like the bible and commandments etc did serve a purpose, and was needed.  as a set of guides on how not to be shitty to one another, religion can claim both ends of the spectrum, both some of the best things like the good people eg mother teresa, but also things done in the name of "God" like the crusades which were some of the biggest acts of evil in history.

out of all modern "god" fearing religions today the salvation army is the only one that earns any respect from me, their main goal seems to be to help people with less than themselves, they dont drink or smoke either... [/rant]

[KiLL3r]

eg mother teresa,

we have already discussed mother teresa and she was was closer to a satanic demi goddes than a good person

[woofnstuff]

i must  have missed that in the previous 100 pages i skipped

[KiLL3r]

Firstly, the idea of "the blood of Christ" and the practice of "communion" are both things that make sense within the context of the church and belief in God, but make little sense to people with no understanding of these practices.

are you saying i have no understanding of your "practices"?

[dirtyape]

holy crap its a tangent!

I recommend the above mentioned doco if you are actually interested in knowing the origins of the bible.

The church pushes that the bible is the word of god, which pretty much means that god inspired man to write it. But the actual hard truth of the matter is that it was not god, it was politics and propaganda. Men decided what was going to be in it for their own requirements at the time - not for the greater good of mankind and definitely not for any great spiritual reason.

Basically the book is full of untruths. Which is irrelevant when it comes to faith I suppose, because it doesn't really matter what you believe just that you believe something. But for fuck sake, at least understand what you believe. And don't be a stupid fundie. (not directed at anyone) and don't inflict stupid illogical mythology upon mankind or science.

The clergy tried to do that before, it was called the dark ages.

oh and thanks arni for the doco

[woofnstuff]

tho the way things are heading now if one super power takes control of the world and thru its own greed gets fat and lazy, they will go the way of the romans, tho possibly not not mad from drinking water from lead pipes.  then there will be a new dark age.

[ThaFleastyler]

are you saying i have no understanding of your "practices"?

Not an all-encompassing NO knowledge, but they are things that make more sense when viewed in the context of belief in God and in Jesus.

[Dr Woomanchu]

If God asked you why you should be allowed into heaven.  What will you say?

I'll say.. "OI! you're my imaginary friend, do as you're told or I'll imagine someone who's more co-operative and then where will ya be. eh eh???"

[woofnstuff]

"Animals have these advantages over man: they have no theologians to instruct them, their funerals cost them nothing, and no one starts lawsuits over their wills." -- Voltaire

[Dr Woomanchu]

Not an all-encompassing NO knowledge, but they are things that make more sense when viewed in the context of belief in God and in Jesus.

Most apparently nonsensical things make more sense when viewed in the context of the holders beliefs.

Tin foil hats are very sensible in the context of  a firmly held belief that the NWO is controlling us through  a mind ray.

BTW I was raised by someone who thought transubstantiation was exactly what it claimed to be

[ThaFleastyler]

Most apparently nonsensical things make more sense when viewed in the context of the holders beliefs.

Tin foil hats are very sensible in the context of  a firmly held belief that the NWO is controlling us through a mind ray.

A very good point.

The things that KiLL3r, Rice and Cobra were talking about though are like if I was to say to you guys that I'm going to go to work today and rebuild a Nightlife system's database, drivelog, and schedule, then ensure it has no audio skips or video sync errors, it would make some sense to you - but you wouldn't totally understand it unless you came to my work, saw what I did and had some experience with the Nightlife system.

The practice of "communion" or using terms like "Jesus' blood" are like that - without actually having some experience within the church and understanding where they come from and what they are for, they just seem to be crazy practices of weird Christians dudes. They're kind of like jargon that are used within the church - and any group of people have jargon. "Jesus' blood" is jargon that makes as much sense to you guys as "rofl" or "tl;dr" would make to a church pastor.

As such, the only person who could make a judgement on the validity of a process of communion would be someone who has engaged in it on a regular basis, within the boundary of a relationship with God; same as the validity of a tin foil hat could only be decided by someone who believes the NWO is controlling us.

BTW I was raised by someone who thought transubstantiation was exactly what it claimed to be

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[KiLL3r]

As such, the only person who could make a judgement on the validity of a process of communion would be someone who has engaged in it on a regular basis, within the boundary of a relationship with God; same as the validity of a tin foil hat could only be decided by someone who believes the NWO is controlling us.


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i attended a catholic school for 4 years, we regularly had mass. i think im qualified enough. the the blood of jesus is just that. sure its substituted with wine but its still represent the blood of jesus, so why do christians regularly drink the blood of their savior?

[ThaFleastyler]

i attended a catholic school for 4 years, we regularly had mass. i think im qualified enough. the the blood of jesus is just that. sure its substituted with wine but its still represent the blood of jesus, so why do christians regularly drink the blood of their savior?

To "do this in memory of" Him?
If you'd been at a Catholic School for 4 years, I thought you would have known that.

And as far as it actually being His blood, thats a catholic thing. My belief is that bread and wine are simply that - bread and wine, used symbolically, in remembrance of Christ dying on the cross for us all.