Religion. The evolution, creation and everything in between megathread

[Arnifix]

noone knows shit welcome to the wiki generation

As opposed to the previous generation, who know so much more because they had less access to information.

Wait, what?

[TofuEater]

No its 2:1 - you have two options, one is right - hence 2:1

Your stupidity knows no bounds. It brings me no joy to point this out to you.

[Arnifix]

Your stupidity knows no bounds. It brings me no joy to point this out to you.

Are you sure?

[cobra]

the odds of aliens existing is exactly 2:1 (ie 50/50) the odds of god existing is exactly 2:1 (ie 50/50) - this is based on the fundamental scientific theory called "your either right or wrong" - so the numbers are the same for both.

get a 6 sided dice, paint 5 sides black and one side white - roll the dice, you will either get black or white but the odds are not 50/50

as for the logic - there is very simple logic to follow for there to be a creator (and its fully backed up by science) - "nothing comes from nothing, in order for there to be something it must be created by something"

this breaks down when you ask where god came from, and if you say god has always existed then why cant other things always exist

also something can come from nothing l2quantum physics

[cobra]

How many people posting here are actually qualified in biology (beyond high school level)

my fiancée is and i have a degree in physics

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

get a 6 sided dice, paint 5 sides black and one side white - roll the dice, you will either get black or white but the odds are not 50/50

That implies you have some idea of the chance.

[cobra]

That implies you have some idea of the chance.

more an example of why situations with two outcomes are not 50/50, god isn't a probability thing

[WhiteRabbit]

OMG there are some people seriously lacking in basic maths here

get a 6 sided dice, paint 5 sides black and one side white - roll the dice, you will either get black or white but the odds are not 50/50

you have 6 choices there, and also you know up front the fact you have a 5:1 ratio of black:white - that is just the dumbest thing i have seen written for a long time. made more worrying by the fact you profess to have a physiics degree.

Your stupidity knows no bounds. It brings me no joy to point this out to you.

My stupidity may not - my maths however are solid.

also something can come from nothing l2quantum physics

my fiancée is and i have a degree in physics

So then you should know the Higgs boson aka God Particle - is theory alone, theoretical physics is a religion all of its own, as you can tell by the diehard followers. and the fact that all it does is eplain how a massless particle gets its mass - it in no way attempts to explain how it in itself exists.

[Arnifix]

ffs, please don't feed the troll.

[cobra]

you have 6 choices there, and also you know up front the fact you have a 5:1 ratio of black:white - that is just the dumbest thing i have seen written for a long time. made more worrying by the fact you profess to have a physiics degree.

you have two choices - black or white, the point is the probability is not equal - very similar to the situations you raise (you are claim there is equal chance of god and no god which is a clearly baseless claim)

My stupidity may not - my maths however are solid.

the bad news is you dont seem smart enough to understand your maths is not solid - unless this is pure troll and then you are just a cock

[Arnifix]

Hey Cobra, in relation to the troll's last statement, what about light?

[Dr Woomanchu]

the bad news is you don't seem smart enough to understand your maths is not solid - unless this is pure troll and then you are just a cock

I can't decide between troll or genuinely unable to understand, but either way the chance something productive would come out of engaging is exactly 2:1.

[WhiteRabbit]

okay guys maths time

here is how you calculate a probibility :

Probability of event A that occurs P(A) = n(A) / n(S).

where,
n(A) - number of occurrence in Event A,
n(S) - total number of possible outcomes.

Now to work it through together for those without a PHD in quantam physics

I say god exists (event a)
the only other option is he doesnt (event b)
thus he either does or he doesnt so n(A) = 1
a + b = two possible outcomes = n(S) = 2

so :
Probability of A happening = 1 / 2 = 0.5
Probability of B happening = 1 / 2 = 0.5

Looks a lot like a 50% chance to me.

We use ratios to make comparisons between two things. When we express ratios in words, we use the word "to" -- we say "the ratio of something to something else" -- for example, the ratio of squares to triangles.

we have two squares and one triangle - so by this logic a ratio of 2:1

now we have two options - and only one can be right - thus again 2:1

[Zarathrustra]

get a 6 sided dice, paint 5 sides black and one side white - roll the dice, you will either get black or white but the odds are not 50/50

Yes, but when you (the punter) are in the dark as to how many sides the dice actually has, or how many are painted black or white, then until you have a large sample of results to work with, to calculate the probable odds, then the odds are esentially 50/50 as far as you're concerned.

That's the situation we're all in, in relation to WhiteRabbit's analogy.

There's many great minds throughout history that have argued both ways.  Even the ones on the "god" side of the argument, while I personally think they are wrong, I still have to admit that many of them are actually smarter than both you or I.

Anyway, we all know "God doesn't play dice".

[WhiteRabbit]

Yes, but when you (the punter) are in the dark as to how many sides the dice actually has, or how many are painted black or white, then until you have a large sample of results to work with, and calculate the actual odds, then the odds are esentially 50/50 as far as you're concerned.

That's the situation we're all in, in relation to WhiteRabbit's analogy.

Thats correct - but as you say "are in the dark as to how many sides the dice actually has" we know how many sides this dice has - 2, god either exists or he doesnt, you cannot have "degrees of existance of god"

[Zarathrustra]

Thats correct - but as you say "are in the dark as to how many sides the dice actually has" we know how many sides this dice has - 2, god either exists or he doesnt, you cannot have "degrees of existance of god"

Sure you can.  Vishnu told me so.

[KiLL3r]

okay guys maths time

here is how you calculate a probibility :

Probability of event A that occurs P(A) = n(A) / n(S).

where,
n(A) - number of occurrence in Event A,
n(S) - total number of possible outcomes.

Now to work it through together for those without a PHD in quantam physics

I say god exists (event a)
the only other option is he doesnt (event b)
thus he either does or he doesnt so n(A) = 1
a + b = two possible outcomes = n(S) = 2

so :
Probability of A happening = 1 / 2 = 0.5
Probability of B happening = 1 / 2 = 0.5

Looks a lot like a 50% chance to me.



we have two squares and one triangle - so by this logic a ratio of 2:1

now we have two options - and only one can be right - thus again 2:1

you missed c

c. more than 1 gods exist

[Zarathrustra]

Or there's the a/b compromise - Aliens seeded life on earth (I'd paint 2 sides of the dice in this color, and three with good old fashioned molecular coincidence).

Keeps both sides happy, to some degree (but mostly just the nutcases).

[WhiteRabbit]

you missed c

c. more than 1 gods exist

not really - my point was ther is either a creator(s) or not - and of that there are equal chances, the odds of it being 1,2,3,4,5 etc do not dilute the simple black and white of yes or no ;-)

[KiLL3r]

not really - my point was ther is either a creator(s) or not - and of that there are equal chances, the odds of it being 1,2,3,4,5 etc do not dilute the simple black and white of yes or no ;-)

yes but what is that creator. a god? aliens? big bang?

[WhiteRabbit]

yes but what is that creator. a god? aliens? big bang?

You tell me - i never professed to know that ;-)

[KiLL3r]

You tell me - i never professed to know that ;-)

what is your opinion though?

[WhiteRabbit]

what is your opinion though?

I will believe in a god when i have his name address and phone number.

My opinion is a simple one of i had no idea how it started, and i dont really care. but the futility of trying to prove anything eother way is silly. and a logical person can argue for and agaisnt both equally.

[KiLL3r]

but the futility of trying to prove anything eother way is silly. and a logical person can argue for and agaisnt both equally.

Why? what is the point of life if not to seek the answer to the greatest question. Why are we here?

[WhiteRabbit]

Why? what is the point of life if not to seek the answer to the greatest question. Why are we here?

Have you considered that there may well be no point to life and that our existance is random ? and that ultimatly science, religion or logic will fail to achieve an aswer.