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Old Growlers are certainly wider wiser
Tonight:

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Stunning, clean, crisp, nice glass came with the bottle.

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Tasty toffee.

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How a stout should be.

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Mata brewery...a new find. didn't overdo the honey in the Manuka and would drink again!

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A good, honest pilsner.

We're getting good at these.

Followed by Tuborg and Tiger beers...and some Red Label Stones Ginger Wine.

Jonty, if you'd invited me earlier, these would've been yours





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Reply #100 Posted: January 29, 2010, 10:15:54 pm
Recycle your red poppies, paint them white, and wear them throughout the year.

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Jeepers,forgot about this, it had found its way to the backof the fridge.

Possibly my favourite beer:

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Great nose, slightly perfumed, but delicious!

Yes, it has cherries, but not overpowering.

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On a San Pedro, Calif. hillside opposite the Pacific, dirt covers the man whose once-expressive appetite for life continues to sustain his cult hero status beyond this grave where movie stars and drinkers laid him three years ago this month.

The simple headstone of Henry Charles Bukowski, 1920-1994, tells those who visit him: "Don't try."

Good advice rarely followed, that ambiguous message from his grave is a challenge outlasting the man whose life and art compels thousands to try, try, try to understand, analyze and even emulate the illegitimate father of poetic intemperance.

In more than 60 books of poetry, short stories, novels and a screenplay ("Barfly") about a brief but remarkable period of his life, Charles "Hank" Bukowski wrote from the twisted guts of his own incredible life, fashioning those experiences into provocative shapes for our amusement.

Since his death, Bukowski has become something of a worldwide industry, with copies of his work multiplying in value, new fans finding him on dozens of Bukowski-related Internet sites and old ones sporting Team Bukowski sweatshirts. His publishers plan at least one book of unpublished work a year for the next five years.

Bukowski gave the finger to poetry as effete intellectualism and replaced adorned sentiment with naked, disturbing, compelling, repulsive, vicious truth.

He was a drunk and a genius, and he beat life to hell and lived longer than most expected and better than most knew. These years after his death, the legend grows, sustained by a body of work so deep that books of poetry are planned through 2001.

He was a Southern California god, but even before this country acknowledged him, Europeans were already treating Bukowski with the pop iconoclasm of movie stars. Now, his work is translated into at least 21 languages, with his newest fans building a Bukowski movement in Japan.

An Orange County, Calif., college professor claims Bukowski as an influence. So does an Irish rock star.

To his fans, the mythic man who settled with a view of the grimy harbor of San Pedro is an adorable bastard, a voice that rumbled from a blue collar to offend, challenge, stimulate the complacent, and to console the disenfranchised for whom labor was survival.

To Linda Lee Bukowski, he is the man whose passing left a bottomless hole in her heart.

There are women who dismiss Bukowski as chauvinistic, as misogynistic.

The woman who loved him for many years and was married to him for the last nine says this:

"To you," Linda Lee Bukowski says, "he is the great writer. But to me, first, he is the great man.

"I cry every day and night. It's horrible, horrible, horrible. Right down in the human gut level, it's terrible. I miss him like, boy, half of me is gone."

There is little middle ground with Charles Bukowski.

Critics dismissed his writing as abusive and indulgent, about which he wrote to a friend:

"We don't write to be judged, we write to get it out of us so we don't do something worse."

And those who loved him became disciples.

Bono of U2 dedicated a Los Angeles show to Hank and Linda and sent a limo to bring them to the concert, along with other devotees, actors Harry Dean Stanton and Sean Penn, whom the Bukowskis referred to as their "surrogate son."

He was gentle to animals, mean to those who crossed him, encouraging to younger talents and never too far from an immigrant child whose father beat him with a razor strap.

At 13 Bukowski discovered alcohol; he said it saved his life.


To his friend Gerald Locklin, a writer and professor at California State University, Long Beach, Bukowski (in one of a volume of letters over two decades) wrote:

"I don't trust men who don't drink. There is something about drinking which opens a man to extraordinary disaster: you meet all the wrong women and you step out into alleys to duke it with all the wrong men. It's kind of a lesson in stupidity but you learn more in that kind of life than most men who live 10 lives."

That life, glorified by the Mickey Rourke-Faye Dunaway characters of "Barfly," is as much a part of the Bukowski legacy as are his poems, novels, recordings and even paintings.

But those who focus on his love of drink, his tolerance for abuse, and his impulse toward denigration of the cognoscenti - without considering the effect of these things on his sizable contribution to literature - miss, sadly, a greater part of Charles Bukowski.

In one of his several books of poetry, Locklin writes a poem to address the single-minded Bukowski reader:

those who would write like bukowski

know that he, as a young man, loved

classical music, wrote every day,

read world literature, supported himself

without parental or government assistance,

and drank a lot.

but when it comes to modeling themselves

on him as writers

they tend to forget everything

except the drinking.

In his novel "Ham on Rye" Bukowski chronicles a childhood full of severe and capricious punishment by his father.

A central element of the Bukowski house in an L.A. neighborhood was his father's razor strap, which hung above the bathroom sink area where young Charles Bukowski would be forced to disrobe and be lashed, often for minor childish indiscretions.

The stress of his life caused a nervous reaction that resulted in boils over his body, leaving his skin pockmarked for life. His rough appearance contributed to his aloofness from other kids, which in later years would become a general distaste for people whose allegiance to mainstream existence Bukowski saw as a betrayal of the soul.

His legend as a barroom fighter, as a drinker, a womanizer and a proud maverick who rejected self-restraint was well earned.

But even when he was flopping in dirtbag hotels and working day labor for liquor, Bukowski was no bum.

His life was a notebook in which he documented experiences few could survive but millions found meaningful.

"People like to ask me, 'Did that really happen to you?' " he wrote to Locklin. "And I used to tell them. Now, I don't. I think it's good for them to wonder. OK. Then most did and what didn't should have."

Although he drew on experiences beginning with the earliest moments of his life, Bukowski, who at times had been a shipping clerk and a postal employee, was middle-aged before he was "discovered."

Some of Bukowski's earliest published work was for Open City and LA Weekly in the late '60s, which later became his book, "Notes of a Dirty Old Man."

In the comfortable home where Linda Lee Bukowski's life is a vigil to her artist husband, the walls, the bookshelves, the picture frames, the swimming pool, the spa, the photo albums and the numerous sketches from the Great Man's hand, tell a fuller story than most are privileged to know. He loved cats and would sit for hours enticing a stray.

We know from his work, of course, that horseracing was part of his daily routine. But who would have known that he enjoyed relaxing, alcohol-free, in the whirlpool upon returning from Hollywood Park or Santa Anita?

He is easily pictured, almost boxer-like, pounding the keys of an Underwood manual "typer." But his work tripled, say both Linda and his Black Sparrow editor, John Martin, when he got a computer.

Near the end of his life, he meditated: twice a day, 20 minutes at a time.

And for all his reputation as a devotee of cheap liquor and easy women, the older Bukowski enjoyed good wine and imported beer, and was loyal to the woman he loved. There are, in the Bukowski household, relics to mark his presence everywhere:
.....

"What he taught me is that you can make poetry out of your daily life," Locklin says. "You don't have to wait for the great moments; it doesn't have to be love, death, war.".......


"People are always pointing out things about me," Bukowski wrote to Gerald Locklin. "I'm a drunk or I'm rich or I'm something else. How about the writing? Does it work or doesn't it?"


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tl/dr?


Well fuck you ignoramus.

Reply #101 Posted: January 29, 2010, 11:52:24 pm
Recycle your red poppies, paint them white, and wear them throughout the year.

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Haha I must have been drinking!

It's been an expensive weekend of beer appreciation for me.  Nurse has been working so I've been alcoholic and drinking alone. Thought it would be good to try some beers that I don't usually try and damn the expense.

Might have to have a Duvel/Chimay weekend sometime.


The two tonight have been varied:

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It starts out seeming flavoursome, but the overall impression is insipid and watery.
Many better beers out there (if you fancy lasting flavour).

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Fuller's 2009 Bottle Conditioned Vintage Ale, limited edition # 069251 of 160 000. I got two so that I could taste one now and cellar one.

It is FANTASTIC already and can see that, with time, it is going to be EXCEPTIONAL (and it's 8.5% without the nasty).

If you see this around, get it and put it away for a few years (I'm thinking 3 at least).

When it's finished this evening I'm back on the 'cheapies': Tiger ($18.99 Doz at Countdown) and the homebrew. Looking forward to the Marmite Stout that we laid down a few weeks ago: Hearty winter goodness, aye eiffer.

Beer, it's the new wine.

Oh, and here's another montage of my hero:

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Reply #102 Posted: January 31, 2010, 07:45:40 pm
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After watching the doco 'Beerwars' i decided to make an effort to try more local beers.  Now i grew up on Montieths Original Extra Bitter quarts from the Coast but nowdays i find myself generally drininking Heineken.

Anywho i grabbed an Emerson Taieri George and Bookbinder, Three Boys Wheat, Brew Moon Broomfield Ale and a  Rewired Ale.

As i write this i'm enjoying a Taieri George which i have long wanted to try as its supposed to have a hint of Cinaemin like the first batch of Monteiths Winter Ale.  Should have read the bottle more carefully as it needs to be decanted  :( which i didn't do.  So far its a very pleasant drop and it will be interesting to taste one when its decanted properly.

Reply #103 Posted: March 15, 2010, 02:29:44 pm

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Well i really enjoyed the Taieri George although at $8.50 /bottle i doubt i'll be buying a six pack every week.  Went to Pomeroys on Tues arvo to enjoy a pint and the sun, tried Razorback and Tuatara Hefe.  I've generally always enjoyed wheat beers and the Tuatara delivered.  The Razorback didn't taste as i hoped but still went down very well.

Currently looking at a pint of Brew Moon Broomfield Ale, no complaints so far.

Reply #104 Posted: March 18, 2010, 01:59:26 pm

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Just picked up another three brew to try, Spruce Beer, Emerson Old 95 and a Renaissance Pale Ale

however currently i'm trying this

Reply #105 Posted: March 22, 2010, 02:39:08 pm

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Looking forward to Brewjolais 2nd of April!

Reply #106 Posted: March 27, 2010, 04:39:17 pm

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Nice to see some fellow beer fans, heres some of the beers ive tried so far this year, made a new years resolution to keep all the empties :P:
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From the top left;
Croucher pilsner, Chimay Blue, Affligem, Harringtons doppelbock, moa belgian, orval, staropramen, st peters golden ale, gosser, weka lager, croucher hef, munchener weisse, schofferhoffer, westmalle trappist, green mans ale, harringstons rogue hop, brugge trappist, emersons weissbier, little creatures pale ale, tripel karmelliet, Renaissance stonecutter scotch ale, renaissance elemental porter, harringtons pig and whistle, fullers vintage ale, edelweiss hefeweisen, schneider weisse, fullers golden pride, scotch silly, baltika no. 5, grolsch, tuatara hefe, emersons pilsner, fullers london pride, schneider aventinus, emersons jp, monkey wizard black mass stout, mussel inn golden goose.

Reply #107 Posted: April 24, 2010, 04:25:49 pm

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Had the priviledge to try this at beervana (it was by invitation only back then :p), wanted to buy some but at that stage they hadn't yet started selling it, well now they have and its not a bad drop (albeit pricey) get in and try it before theyre all gone.

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This beer needs to be treated with respect, weighing in at 10.5% ABV; its no lightweight and should be shared with good company.

Pours a striking black colour with a faint garnet hue, and a tan head settling to a fine veil.
The aroma is intricate with roasted malt, toffee and smoky notes upon a deep, treacle like background.
The flavour is even more complex with dried fruit, prunes, whisky smokiness, sherry/port, treacle, roasted grain, a peaty note and a warm spiciness imparted by the alcohol. It is light and smooth on the palate, finishing with a fleeting sweetness and very long after-flavours of raisins, oak and whisky.

The whisky and oak barrels have imparted their characters to the porter and are quite obvious (you dont have to search for them) but at the same time, there is good balance.
A good marriage has been formed between the porter and whisky they have melded together in this heavenly drop.

Serve at room temperature in small stemmed goblets, to be sipped around the fire on cold Winters nights.


Style Description: Porter
Black or chocolate malt gives the porter its dark brown color. Porters are well hopped and heavily malted. This is a medium-bodied beer. Porters can be sweet. Hoppiness can range from bitter to mild. Porters are often confused with stouts.

Reply #108 Posted: April 27, 2010, 04:24:12 pm

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Just had a bottle of harringtons big john, not a bad drop Slight hints of bourbon and oak although perhaps lacking the stength of flavour I would expect in an $8 bottle of "strong dark "beer.




Reply #109 Posted: May 01, 2010, 11:34:33 pm

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Having one of these tonight:
Enough trouble getting this lid open but definitely worth it, massive flavour for such a light coloured beer!
http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/st-sylvestre-3-monts/7321/

Reply #110 Posted: May 07, 2010, 11:05:30 pm

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^ Nice, where from (which shop)?


Homebrew.

Lovely stuff now that we (the Collective) have finally got our quality control together.

Reply #111 Posted: May 07, 2010, 11:18:21 pm
Recycle your red poppies, paint them white, and wear them throughout the year.

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Got it from regional wines and spirits in wellington, they have a great selection of nice beers and often have free tastings :)

Looking at starting some homebrew myself when I get time, got all the gear just need to clean it all out and get brewing.

Reply #112 Posted: May 07, 2010, 11:25:33 pm

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Do it!
It's surprisingly easy!

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Reply #113 Posted: May 08, 2010, 07:40:38 pm
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Having one of these tonight:
Enough trouble getting this lid open but definitely worth it, massive flavour for such a light coloured beer!
http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/st-sylvestre-3-monts/7321/



I thought it was a ripoff, has an awesome lid though. At $18/bottle I expect a pretty good beer, if you want a golden ale that doesn't fuck around then try this one for about the same money: La Fin Du Monde


I got mine for $12 a bottle, cheaper than anything else of the same quantity % and taste instore.
Seems they have that la fin stuff for 9 bucks a bottle on beerstore, just read a review and apparantly its a very tasty one, might have to hit it up some time.

I wouldnt call it (3 monts) a golden ale as the specific style is called biere de garde and they are generally lighter on flavour than a full bodied golden ale.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi%C3%A8re_de_Garde

Reply #114 Posted: May 12, 2010, 02:16:56 pm

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What? Not posted in for 90 days?

That's a hangover!

After warming up with Epic Pale Ale ($4.50 or something like that) and Monteith's New Zealand Lager
I have embarked upon this wee beauty:
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Taste: Hoppy with a pleasurable aftertaste. Coffee and Glue (Pritt Stick) in a real good way! Amaretto, or is that a subtle fruit undertone? Ale Art.

Would you buy 2? Yeah Yeah! Definitely.

Would you buy 4? With a deathwish. But a delicious deathwish.

Appearance: Beautiful. Dark. Brown.


haha shades of glue indeed, but truly in an alluringly delicious sense

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Still haven't managed to find the Epic Stout down these parts, though I did find that Barrington Super Liquor sells Soju which I have been looking for since my mate came back from Korea....

Merivale Fresh Choice has an excellent beer selection.

Can't wait to try this, if only i had the ingredients ;) http://www.drugs-plaza.com/recipesvodka.htm

Yeah, it's not beer, but it's awesome!





....and this is a great drinking soundtrack. Just let it play through forty songs of awesome:



Reply #115 Posted: September 03, 2010, 07:49:41 pm
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got some trusty old Hop Rockers sitting at home waiting for me. i can taste them already

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Everyone here reading this thread has to try 8 wired iStout, quite possibly the best NZ beer i have tasted and definitely in my top 5 international beers too... amazing amazing stuff.


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Curious to know what are in your top 5.

I was close to trying iStout but the name/brand totally put me off.

I couldn't take it seriously considering it was sharing shelf space with Three Boys and Emersons.

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Curious to know what are in your top 5.

I was close to trying iStout but the name/brand totally put me off.

I couldn't take it seriously considering it was sharing shelf space with Three Boys and Emersons.
The name is somewhat of a shitty pun. Russian imperial stout is the style hence the "i", but lampooning iPod- the antithesis of craft/small scale prodcution is somewhat lame albeit a clever juxtaposition, anything made by apple or associated to makes me cringe and wither a little on the inside.

The other 4 are a lot harder to pick - so many good beers =P
Definitely at 1 or 2 belgian ones in there, and fullers vintage ale.

Reply #119 Posted: September 03, 2010, 09:46:30 pm

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Fullers' Vintage Ale indeed...that is something special....

Epic, for me, make fantastic beers. I must admit I'm a bit of a hophead...and Moa St Josephs.
Choufe (sp) and James Boag, but I haven't really experienced many North American or European microbreweries and I'm sure they have some gold...

....but hell, you can't go passed the PBC Marmite Stout. That shit rocks!!!

Good luck getting hold of it though :P

Reply #120 Posted: September 03, 2010, 10:01:02 pm
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Fullers' Vintage Ale indeed...that is something special....

Epic, for me, make fantastic beers. I must admit I'm a bit of a hophead...and Moa St Josephs.
Choufe (sp) and James Boag, but I haven't really experienced many North American or European microbreweries and I'm sure they have some gold...

....but hell, you can't go passed the PBC Marmite Stout. That shit rocks!!!

Good luck getting hold of it though :P
Tried a few hoppy ones at beervana (which was epic) last weekend.
Quite a fan of the Twisted hops beers, their IPA's are damn tasty.

Give some trappist/belgian craft beers a try for quality eupropean stuff, nothing quite like their big fruity yeasts.

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did you try the Twisted Hop's Twisted Ankle? im a big fan of that one

Reply #122 Posted: September 03, 2010, 10:19:25 pm
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Quote from: Blob_ZPS;1305719

Quite a fan of the Twisted hops beers, their IPA's are damn tasty.

Keep your eye out for 'Cassells' as the brewmaster for the twisted hop has defected to them...which is why, in my opinion, the twisted hop has gone a bit insipid over the passed few months....it's hard to replace that sort of quality.

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Give some trappist/belgian craft beers a try for quality eupropean stuff, nothing quite like their big fruity yeasts.

Oh yes! Absolutely, except I find them slightly soporific!

Reply #123 Posted: September 03, 2010, 10:21:10 pm
Recycle your red poppies, paint them white, and wear them throughout the year.

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Quote from: JontyB;1305720
did you try the Twisted Hop's Twisted Ankle? im a big fan of that one

Nah they didnt have it at beervana and im not sure who stocks their beers near where I live :( I have tried their APA, IPA and the Challenger


One big problem we all face is that theres so many quality beers to try, and not enough money or liver function to try them all :(

Reply #124 Posted: September 03, 2010, 10:22:11 pm