North Korea

[Bounty Hunter]

clearly photoshopped (poorly)

that's a crane photoshopped onto the top of an unfinished aparetment building, with a rocket, marquee tool the lower parts, sample the flame colour.

take a photo of a war zone, zoom in and add your appartment crane rocket.

[Iblis]

Clearly the entire international news media and numerous state goverments who can't even agree on the tiniest of things are all in a massive conspiracy to fake pictures and keep the world population in the dark about the Real North Korea. It's because North Korea is the place where the Obama FEMA muslim re-education concentration camps are being built to house all the heterosexual republican americans who will be enslaved into labour for the WTO while the World Bank launders the money it's hiding from the "fake recession" it created so we will all agree to the New World Order when we're broke and in massive personal debt.

North Korea

[Bounty Hunter]

North Korea

big ben, a crane, a saturn rocket and an HDI image from flickr.

[Zarathrustra]

clearly photoshopped (poorly)

that's a crane photoshopped onto the top of an unfinished aparetment building, with a rocket, marquee tool the lower parts, sample the flame colour.

take a photo of a war zone, zoom in and add your appartment crane rocket.

Still just dripping sarcasm to re-re-re-re-enforce your "don't believe everything you read or are told" point I hope...

The video that picture is from is all over the internet... hardly "photoshopped".

I fear the next thing you'll be doing is quoting Zeitgeist or Loose Change.:eek:

[Bounty Hunter]

Still just dripping sarcasm to re-re-re-re-enforce your "don't believe everything you read or are told" point I hope...

The video that picture is from is all over the internet... hardly "photoshopped".

I fear the next thing you'll be doing is quoting Zeitgeist or Loose Change.:eek:

why would I believe Zeitgeist or loose change when they're made by the same people who make up these lies?

[Pyromanik]

This is nothing but NK wanting to stay relevant in the world.

So you think nothing to worry about eh, it'll all blow over right?



Kinda like Japan in the 1930's?
Where America was all "oh oi nah, don't do what we do... you're not allowed" to which Japan got so fucked off with they were enticed by the yanks into escalating into a full blown war fulled by propaganda and indoctrination?
Costing many thousands of lives and echoing through history as one of the 'greatest' things that ever happened by clever use of more propaganda?
Which then lead to a cold war, and a severe irrational hate for communism leading to one of the greatest atrocities of all time?


Oh yup, history never repeats.

[Iblis]

So you think nothing to worry about eh, it'll all blow over right?



Kinda like Japan in the 1930's?
Where America was all "oh oi nah, don't do what we do... you're not allowed" to which Japan got so fucked off with they were enticed by the yanks into escalating into a full blown war fulled by propaganda and indoctrination?
Costing many thousands of lives and echoing through history as one of the 'greatest' things that ever happened by clever use of more propaganda?
Which then lead to a cold war, and a severe irrational hate for communism leading to one of the greatest atrocities of all time?


Oh yup, history never repeats.

What was Japan doing that America was also doing to convey a double standard? Your posts reek of ignorant, baseless opinion. Are you saying Japan was just minding their own business and got sucker-punched by America? Are you saying their military was reacting in a defencive-only, discriminative, reserved manner? What is this "greatest atrocity of all time" that happened AFTER the communism scare and the start of the cold war? If you mean Hiroshima and Nagasaki, then those happened BEFORE the cold war and the "red scare" in America. Go back to history class. While you're there, learn about all the other atrocities committed by the Roman Empire, the English Empire, the Spanish Empire, the Ottomans, the Macedonians, etc. ad nauseam. You're not going to goad me into defending America as innocent and perfect, but you'd better bring more to the discussion than just a blame-america-for-everything fad worldview. I suppose next you're going to say all the recorded history is preserved in a conspiracy to make Japan look bad.

So yes, I think it will all blow over, despite the history of Japan(which I think is nothing like it). North Korea does not have the resources to SUSTAIN a war with anyone. Sure, they have an incredibly large army, but I repeat myself: They'd starve within a week without supply from China. The LAST thing China wants to do is get between a war with America and anyone else. You don't shit where you eat and you don't destroy your investment. China is barely interested anymore in aggressive military power. They are now run by a government that is more interested in economic imperialism than good old fashioned imperialism.

[nick247]

iblis is correct

Comparison to the past is not useless but certainly not as helpful as made out by pyro

There is simply too many differences in current world politics than there was 80-60 years ago.

[Bounty Hunter]

iblis is correct

Comparison to the past is not useless but certainly not as helpful as made out by pyro

There is simply too many differences in current world politics than there was 80-60 years ago.

and technology too nick dont forget photoshop!

[-CowwieStyle-]

The LAST thing China wants to do is get between a war with America and anyone else. You don't shit where you eat and you don't destroy your investment. China is barely interested anymore in aggressive military power. They are now run by a government that is more interested in economic imperialism than good old fashioned imperialism.

I agree with the many other stuff you say but this part no way.


Ack regardless of trade links i would not trust the motives of China and Russia, imo they are quite resentful of America and would like to see its downfall, even if they dont like NK im sure they could see it as a useful thorn, push come to shove i think they will help NK if its getting its arse kicked, just like in the past.

Besides they have a history of backing up police states.

Chinas and Russias cultures might have changed a bit in the last decade but the same guys are still in power, and nationalism/blind faith in their leaders is still quite strong.

[nick247]

sorry cowwie but your off the mark on China, big time

China and the US are ridiculously integrated. These "trade links" that you seem to want to disregard are bringing key resources (technology included) and allowing them to grow and expand on the world stage. Few people in China want to see the US downfall cos then they lose out, big time.

This new capitalism occuring in China is helping the Chinese economy and the people and they arent exactly hating it. This effect easily outweighs whatever intangible "resent" remains for the Americans.

Plus the Chinese government is nothing if not pragmatic. You think they are going to let something as minor as "bad feeling" get in the way of 10% annual growth in GDP....thats something dumb us righteous westerners would do.

[UppityDuck]

...and China owns the U.S.....well, their debt. That can have potentially huge repercussions.

[smegmacheese]

The Chinese media seems adept at managing those "bad feelings" to make the ruling party's political stranglehold on the country even stronger.  Give people a target to vent their anger while cementing your position as the defender against foreign oppression, meanwhile business as usual.

But I guess most countries do this...

[-CowwieStyle-]

sorry cowwie but your off the mark on China, big time

NP fun discussion

The reason i think these things is

I think China is still under control by the hardliners, the economic success of china in the nationalists eyes imo is merely a means to a end("to beat the west at its own game, build up its military and world influence and eventually end up top dog",they have done a bloody good job so far at that.

I think China's standing army is quite capable of cracking heads at home, the nationalists dont have to foot the blame for starting the war with the west, all it takes is for America to do something stupid(as if they would), then they can up their state media propaganda and proceed to help the NK again...

I dont think China will happily share the border with a new democratic Korea esp if is backed up by a American force, China's quite happy to have NK as a buffer, no military police state welcomes a new democratic neighbor.

I dont think the nationalists in china are obsessed only with making $$$, that country survived before with out the commercial success its having now, they might even bet after the war they might be able to make a buck afterwards.

I dont think people power in China is big enough to over whelm the nationalists/military, alot of people have changed in china but imo its not filtered up high enough to make a difference, wonder what the nationalists think about that.

this kind of stuff is alive and well still in China as well  
http://www.newsweek.com/id/191412

[philo-sofa]

Clearly the entire international news media and numerous state goverments who can't even agree on the tiniest of things are all in a massive conspiracy to fake pictures and keep the world population in the dark about the Real North Korea. It's because North Korea is the place where the Obama FEMA muslim re-education concentration camps are being built to house all the heterosexual republican americans who will be enslaved into labour for the WTO while the World Bank launders the money it's hiding from the "fake recession" it created so we will all agree to the New World Order when we're broke and in massive personal debt.

I like this guy

Don't entirely agree with your view on China tho; I'd say their desire is for power itself, and whilst their primary means for attaining that has been economic (imperialism) they aren't entirely ideaologically rstricted to that means.  This is somewhat backed up by their military disposition which is geared towards gaining a long range warfighting ability - that could in a sense just be viewed as being wise, but with the general mindset it seems to suggest they'd be willing to use this force if they felt it to their advantage.

[Bounty Hunter]

I like this guy

really?

I think he's a fish...

[Pyromanik]

Your posts reek of ignorant, baseless opinion.

WRONG MOTHERFUCKER!
Jeezuz, you certainly do love taking one absolute extreme interpretation of a post to try to turn it around.


I SUGGEST YOU REVISE YOUR HISTORY BEFORE MAKING YOUR CLAIMS.

Spoiler :

What was Japan doing that America was also doing to convey a double standard?

Colonisation. Japan, UK and others were all exerting their political dominance through force on other countries. This is actually how Japan was forced opened it's shores, the Americans sailed in with a fleet of ships and threatened offshore bombardment if Japan kept refusing trade.

Your posts reek of ignorant, baseless opinion.

Less baseless and one sided than yours my friend. but thanks for playing.

Are you saying Japan was just minding their own business and got sucker-punched by America?

Oh yea, that's exactly what I'm saying. [NOTE: I'M BEING SARCASTIC IF YOU CAN'T TELL. WHICH IS QUITE POSSIBLE, JUDGING BY THE RESPONSE OF YOUR OTHER POSTS.]

Are you saying their military was reacting in a defencive-only, discriminative, reserved manner?

See above. There are never any innocent parties in war.

What is this "greatest atrocity of all time" that happened AFTER the communism scare and the start of the cold war?

Flucking Vietnam you plick.

If you mean Hiroshima and Nagasaki, then those happened BEFORE the cold war and the "red scare" in America.

Duh?

Go back to history class.

orly? So I can create internets arguements on very little unsupported knowledge just like you?

While you're there, learn about all the other atrocities committed by the Roman Empire, the Macedonians

done.

, the English Empire, the Spanish Empire, the Ottomans, etc. ad nauseam.

Yup because I obviously think that we're all here through a history of peaceful co-existance, and everything that points otherwise is a lie by fame seeking historians.

You're not going to goad me into defending America as innocent and perfect

Because I was trying? You're already doing pretty well on your own mate.

, but you'd better bring more to the discussion than just a blame-america-for-everything

Nah, trolling america is fun because it gets over reactive responses. [srs:] No. I'm not for a minute pretending that everything is America's fault... I'm simply stating that there's ALWAYS more than first observed. That's why we study. Because there's always new shit to see, and new ways to see it. Another example of you reading the extremes out of my post in order to base some rebuttle on.

fad worldview. I suppose next you're going to say all the recorded history is preserved in a conspiracy to make Japan look bad.

OK, now I know you have nothing. History is ALWAYS written by the victors. Any half a clue historian knows this.

So yes, I think it will all blow over, despite the history of Japan(which I think is nothing like it)

History never repeats in exact cycles, no. But one can often draw many a parallel between two events. This is pretty much the reason people study history chappy.

. North Korea does not have the resources to SUSTAIN a war with anyone.

Oh, coz Japan sooooo did?
Tell me; Why do you think Japan bombed America?
Because they thought they could conquer the whole continent?

Sure, they have an incredibly large army

indoctrination of a sense of duty does wonders. Where have we seen this before??

, but I repeat myself: They'd starve within a week without supply from China.

Know what happened to the Japanese population towards the end of the war?

The LAST thing China wants to do is get between a war with America and anyone else. You don't shit where you eat and you don't destroy your investment. China is barely interested anymore in aggressive military power. They are now run by a government that is more interested in economic imperialism than good old fashioned imperialism.

Yup, summing up a complex situation is just that easy huh.

[smegmacheese]

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[Iblis]

North Korea

North Korea

[Pyromanik]

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I'm strangely aroused.













Nice to see you don't have any real answers.

[swindle]

Ha! Aweomse.

She is gorgeous though, i totally have a thing for pretty Asian girls.

[Iblis]

Nice to see you don't have any real answers.

Well, you have said at least twice you're being sarcastic so from now on I'm going to ignore your posts and read them on "opposite day".

[Pyromanik]

Hoorah! Extremisim to the max. Thanks for proving a point.

[Tandoori]

Put the fucking leeches on these two. Or lock them in a room with a knife and let them have it out.

[swindle]

<---- Iblis fan fo life