Conspiracy Theories : You decide.

[Ngati_Grim]

Thanks for reading the article Matt.

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

So your cruise missile snapped all those light poles did it?

no, no, no.

Those light poles had explosives strapped to them of course. All timed to go off in sequence.

[BerG]

In fact, here’s what their flight instructors had to say about the aptitude of these budding aviators:
Mohammed Atta: “His attention span was zero.”
http://www.willthomas.net/911/911_Commission_Hearing.htm
Khalid Al-Mihdhar: “We didn’t kick him out, but he didn’t live up to our standards.”
http://100777.com/node/237
Marwan Al-Shehhi: “He was dropped because of his limited English and incompetence at the controls.”
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/9-11/9-11_hijackers_still_alive.htm
Salem Al-Hazmi: “We advised him to quit after two lessons.”
http://www.willthomas.net/Books_Videos/911_Investigations_Stand_Down.htm
Hani Hanjour: “His English was horrible, and his mechanical skills were even worse. It was like he had hardly even ever driven a car. I’m still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon. He could not fly at all.”
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hanjour.html

My Indian students used to be great at flying into buildings (or at least they would have, had I not taken over).

It was the straight & level they struggled with.

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

In fact, here’s what their flight instructors had to say about the aptitude of these budding aviators:
Mohammed Atta: “His attention span was zero.”
http://www.willthomas.net/911/911_Commission_Hearing.htm
Khalid Al-Mihdhar: “We didn’t kick him out, but he didn’t live up to our standards.”
http://100777.com/node/237
Marwan Al-Shehhi: “He was dropped because of his limited English and incompetence at the controls.”
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/9-11/9-11_hijackers_still_alive.htm
Salem Al-Hazmi: “We advised him to quit after two lessons.”
http://www.willthomas.net/Books_Videos/911_Investigations_Stand_Down.htm
Hani Hanjour: “His English was horrible, and his mechanical skills were even worse. It was like he had hardly even ever driven a car. I’m still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon. He could not fly at all.”
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hanjour.html

My Indian students used to be great at flying into buildings (or at least they would have, had I not taken over).

It was the straight & level they struggled with.

Indeed.

It's quite an amusing argument.
"These terrorists are useless at flying, there's no way they could crash a plane"

[mattnz]

Thanks for reading the article Matt.

Sorry, gets hard to keep up with what you believe sometimes.

So the authorities snapping the light poles in advance is what definitely happened?

[Dr Woomanchu]

No, I think Spacemonkey had it, with the explosives strapped to each pole to go off in sequence

[Ngati_Grim]

Thanks for reading the article Matt.

Sorry, gets hard to keep up with what you believe sometimes.

You're telling me!

So the authorities snapping the light poles in advance is what definitely happened?

I honestly don't know, but since this thread is about conspiracies, sure, why not?

[mattnz]

Because that's involving a more people in top secret treason, when it is unlikely that afterwards people would have asked, "Hey, why aren't there any snapped lightposts?", or something?

[Dr Woomanchu]

Don;t go introducing rationality to conspiracy theories...nub

[Ngati_Grim]

It's irrational to think that 'Arab' terrorists did it, when one investigates the events.
I can quite happily accept MOSSAD involvement however.....an upscale version of the USS Liberty.


It's a thirty year conspiracy...Senator Bob Kerrey.

But then, it must be 'nice' living in a conspiracy-free world, huh?

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

It's irrational to think that 'Arab' terrorists did it, when one investigates the events.

Why is it irrational?

[Bell]

Because it's irrational to believe conclusions based on inquires launched by democratic governments.

[Ngati_Grim]

Especially when they're not Democratic but rather economic oligarchies


Alright then, what about the JFK assassination....conspiracy?

[Pyromanik]

Yes.

[Spoonguard]

I think you truthers are missing the point. The conspiracy part of 911 is not the part that made it happen, but what happened afterward. Most of the hijackers where Saudis, yet nothing was done about the theocratic dystopia which raises these young men, oviously a US ally only for business concerns. Instead we get a Iraq war twelve years too late for any justifable reason or hope of a positive outcome. Also the enduring conpiracy that it could not have been foreseen - it was and was lost in the incompetent miasma that is the US intelligance services.
The Bush administration didn't have to plan, cause or even not prevent 911 to exploit it as cynicly as they did. Truthers put too much stock in the Malice of that government and not enough in it's stupidity.

[-CowwieStyle-]

Because that's involving a more people in top secret treason, when it is unlikely that afterwards people would have asked, "Hey, why aren't there any snapped lightposts?", or something?

Hell noam chomsky of all people doesn't even believe in it.

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[liquidpain]

They knew about it and let it happen. It all worked to their advantage. Bush received a memo saying that the terrorists were looking for targets to attack in New York and he did nothing. They probably wanted them to attack.

The collapse of the building, forget what its called, near ground zero actually covered up a lot of corporate corruption on a wide scale and delayed the crash till 2008.

Many companies also profited greatly from the disaster. In the heat of the news a lot of deals were signed and flew under the radar of the public. Things like health care contracts and security contracts.

[Zarkov]

It's irrational to think that 'Arab' terrorists did it, when one investigates the events.
I can quite happily accept MOSSAD involvement however.....an upscale version of the USS Liberty.


It's a thirty year conspiracy...Senator Bob Kerrey.

But then, it must be 'nice' living in a conspiracy-free world, huh?

I do live in a conspiracy-free world.

It's your world that's irrational.

[Spoonguard]

There are very real conspiracys, but they are also very boring and mundane compared to the imagined ones. For instance, compare the Gulf of Tonkin incident to ZOG planning WWII.

[BerG]

Bush received a memo saying that the terrorists were looking for targets to attack in New York and he did nothing.

He recieved a memo?

So no phone call, no urgent meeting with key intelligence officials, just a memo? Perhaps it fell off his desk and he didn't see it?

The collapse of the building, forget what its called

.

[Ngati_Grim]

I do live in a conspiracy-free world.

It's your world that's irrational.
[/quote]

We can agree to disagree on this.

So you think that all the rhetoric from Israel and the United States regarding the Iranian pursuit of nuclear weapons is bang on even though Russia and more importantly the IAEA disagree with them?
You don't harbour the possibility that it might be to do with Iran switching from the Greenback to the Euro for the Iranian Oil Bourse?
Oh well.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html

[Ngati_Grim]

Hmmm, things are getting interesting:

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/CIA_Red_Cell_Memorandum_on_United_States_%22exporting_terrorism%22,_2_Feb_2010

This CIA "Red Cell" report from February 2, 2010, looks at what will happen if it is internationally understood that the United States is an exporter of terrorism; 'Contrary to common belief, the American export of terrorism or terrorists is not a recent phenomenon, nor has it been associated only with Islamic radicals or people of Middle Eastern, African or South Asian ethnic origin. This dynamic belies the American belief that our free, open and integrated multicultural society lessens the allure of radicalism and terrorism for US citizens.' The report looks at a number cases of US exported terrorism, including attacks by US based or financed Jewish, Muslim and Irish-nationalism terrorists. It concludes that foreign perceptions of the US as an "Exporter of Terrorism" together with US double standards in international law, may lead to noncooperation in renditions (including the arrest of CIA officers) and the decision to not share terrorism related intelligence with the United States.

[Ngati_Grim]

Money as a weapon:

http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/call/docs/09-27/09-27.pdf

Foreword
This Center for Army Lessons Learned (CALL) handbook assists company-, battalion-,
and brigade-level officers and noncommissioned officers to effectively use money as a
weapons system on the counterinsurgency (COIN) battlefield. Coalition money is defeating
COIN targets without creating collateral damage, by motivating antigovernment forces to
cease lethal and nonlethal operations, by creating and providing jobs along with other
forms of financial assistance to the indigenous population, and by restoring or creating vital
infrastructure. Money also funds other tools of war.
Key lessons:
• Money is a valuable weapons system.
• Money and contracting in a COIN environment are vital elements of combat power.
• Leaders must leverage money and contracting in operations.
• Leaders must understand funding programs and contracting.
• Brigades often lack internal resource management expertise and knowledge of
funding.
• Financial management administrative requirements in a combat environment can be
extremely burdensome but are necessary for good stewardship.
• Financial management expertise and knowledge of funding are critical to successful
operations.
• Without proactive leadership involvement, the potential for extensive fraud, waste,
and abuse of funds exists in the COIN environment.
This handbook is a guide and addresses some of the most common funds available to
warfighters. Since policies, procedures, and guidelines change as do sources and amounts
of funds available to fund warfighters, obtain the latest funding information from the
supporting resource manager before taking action to fund warfighters.
i
COMMANDER'S GUIDE TO MAAWS HANDBOOK
Approved for Public Release
Distribution Unlimited
T. A. Clay
Colonel, Finance Corps
Commandant
U.S. Army Financial Management School

http://cryptome.org/0002/tg-839-840.htm

http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/tg839.htm

[Bell]

Hmmm, things are getting interesting:

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/CIA_Red_Cell_Memorandum_on_United_States_%22exporting_terrorism%22,_2_Feb_2010

This CIA "Red Cell" report from February 2, 2010, looks at what will happen if it is internationally understood that the United States is an exporter of terrorism; 'Contrary to common belief, the American export of terrorism or terrorists is not a recent phenomenon, nor has it been associated only with Islamic radicals or people of Middle Eastern, African or South Asian ethnic origin. This dynamic belies the American belief that our free, open and integrated multicultural society lessens the allure of radicalism and terrorism for US citizens.' The report looks at a number cases of US exported terrorism, including attacks by US based or financed Jewish, Muslim and Irish-nationalism terrorists. It concludes that foreign perceptions of the US as an "Exporter of Terrorism" together with US double standards in international law, may lead to noncooperation in renditions (including the arrest of CIA officers) and the decision to not share terrorism related intelligence with the United States.

Without trying to sound too rude, I don't see this as new enlightening information, it's well known that the CIA has and continues to fund certain groups to do their dirty work.
I don't see that as being a conspiracy, it's more like common practice for countries with intelligence agencies.
I bet even the NZ government has put money into something like that at some point.

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

by motivating antigovernment forces to
cease lethal and nonlethal operations, by creating and providing jobs along with other
forms of financial assistance to the indigenous population,

Sounds pretty cool to me.