Conspiracy Theories : You decide.

[Ngati_Grim]

I will go with the Engineers for 911.

It was all too convenient, and don't get me started on the Pentagon, the passenger lists, the passport that survived the incineration, the squibs, the dancing Israeli 'Arts Students', Larry Silverstein saying "we pulled it" (regarding building 7), the firemen hearing explosions, the 'maintenance' undertaken on the WTC buildings in the weeks prior and cetera

[Crazy_Whitey]

More important things to worry about than what might have happened almost 10 years ago. Have fun wasting your life conspiring.

[Dr Woomanchu]

he's wrong.

the building collapse makes sense easily. if you doubt just build 100 story building and fly a plane into it. you'll see

I disagree, especially since the building was designed to withstand impact from airplanes, and other, correlatory evidence, but that's the nature of these things...some people buy the official story and others are more suspect.

Put it this way, if the conspiracy theories I have seen were what was officially claimed to have actually happened, all the conspiracy theorists would be having a field day with the stories and claiming that the official line was unbelievable.

It's the same as religious people. They all keen to debunk one claim, but never seem to have a problem with what they're proposing as an alternative being ridiculous. The ability of humans to firmly believe the patently absurd is something I never get used to.

[BerG]

I will go with the Engineers for 911.

It was all too convenient, and don't get me started on the Pentagon, the passenger lists, the passport that survived the incineration, the squibs, the dancing Israeli 'Arts Students', Larry Silverstein saying "we pulled it" (regarding building 7), the firemen hearing explosions, the 'maintenance' undertaken on the WTC buildings in the weeks prior and cetera

Buildings of that size are probably under constant maintenance.

And I doubt any amount of money would be enough to keep quiet hundreds of Americans who were supposedly in on this conspiracy to kill thousands of Americans.

[pop]

most of the people in on it were probably on the plane

[Kayne]

the building was designed to withstand impact from airplanes

wtf? People expect to be hit by airplanes these days?

[toofast]

The plane hit towards the top yet the building fell like a planned demolition.

It might be because civil engineers thought about worse case scenarios when building it. So rather than have it fall in some uncontrolled way, killing everyone around the building (while thoroughly convincing them that a plane did hit it), they made it fall in a controlled manner.

Also designed to be hit by airplanes, doesn't mean it will work. When you make things that big, your models always go a bit out of whack. There are pretty cool videos on youtube about them making the new airbus (massive new airplane), and you see how when they are working with such massive structures, nothing goes to plan.

Not to mention, just because something is designed one way, doesn't mean it gets built that way. A lot of stuff will get changed on the floor, usually when its well out of the engineers hands.

[Bell]

Just like things that are called "bullet proof'" and "fire proof", they aren't actually immune to bullets or fire.

[SteddieEddie]

The plane hit towards the top yet the building fell like a planned demolition.

Not to mention, just because something is designed one way, doesn't mean it gets built that way. A lot of stuff will get changed on the floor, usually when its well out of the engineers hands.

Of course it is built the way it is designed. You are talking about the tallest building in the world ( at the time of build) do you think they just changed the structure as it was going up? LOL

[Kayne]

Just like things that are called "bullet proof'" and "fire proof", they aren't actually immune to bullets or fire.

what? yes they are, arn't they?

A bullet proof vest will stop a bullet ( well obviously not larger rounds) from penetrating you, and I thought fireproof meant it wouldn't ignite, Just get really hot and get scorched D:

[Retardobot]

Just like things that are called "bullet proof'" and "fire proof", they aren't actually immune to bullets or fire.

what? yes they are, arn't they?

A bullet proof vest will stop a bullet ( well obviously not larger rounds) from penetrating you, and I thought fireproof meant it wouldn't ignite, Just get really hot and get scorched D:

Very rarely will the word 'fireproof' actually get used.

You will see 'fire retardant' used in almost every description. Even 'bulletproof' vests aren't called bulletproof. They come with disclaimers stating "This garment was not designed to prevent gunfire, sharp objects or explosions".

[Virus.]

This will have to be my all time favourite conspiracy:

The beatles never broke up

The story made up after what was clearly someones fantasy/dream is pure awesome.

[toofast]

The plane hit towards the top yet the building fell like a planned demolition.

Not to mention, just because something is designed one way, doesn't mean it gets built that way. A lot of stuff will get changed on the floor, usually when its well out of the engineers hands.

Of course it is built the way it is designed. You are talking about the tallest building in the world ( at the time of build) do you think they just changed the structure as it was going up? LOL

I am not talking about massive overhauls to the structure, more the way joints or parts may be specified. I am not saying it definitely happened, but it easily can. I have seen it happen before, where the contractors will see a easier way of doing something, and decide to do it that way, because they didn't fully understand how the part was used.

[Pe_Pa_Possum]

from http://architecture.about.com/od/disastersandcollapses/a/twintowerfall.htm

"Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F. This is not hot enough to melt structural steel. However, engineers say that for the World Trade Center towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength. Steel will lose about half its strength at 1,200 degrees F. The steel will also become distorted when heat is not a uniform temperature. "

I suppose the architects / engineers designed for the plane hitting the building, but maybe not the fuel burning?

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

I will go with the Engineers for 911.

It was all too convenient, and don't get me started on the Pentagon, the passenger lists, the passport that survived the incineration, the squibs, the dancing Israeli 'Arts Students', Larry Silverstein saying "we pulled it" (regarding building 7), the firemen hearing explosions, the 'maintenance' undertaken on the WTC buildings in the weeks prior and cetera

Buildings of that size are probably under constant maintenance.

And I doubt any amount of money would be enough to keep quiet hundreds of Americans who were supposedly in on this conspiracy to kill thousands of Americans.

This is bang on.

If there was people in on it and paid to shut up, there would people willing to pay more to tell the truth. Someone would confess, real evidence as opposed to dancing students and a passport which didn't get burned.

the building was designed to withstand impact from airplanes

wtf? People expect to be hit by airplanes these days?

Only if you are jogging on the beach listening to your iPod.

what? yes they are, arn't they?

A bullet proof vest will stop a bullet ( well obviously not larger rounds) from penetrating you, and I thought fireproof meant it wouldn't ignite, Just get really hot and get scorched D:

A plane proof building will stop a plane (well obviously not larger jumbo jets) from penetrating you.

[Zarkov]

Conspiracy theorists and religious nuts sound the same because they are.

They are the intellectual equivilents of low watt bulbs.

Logical explanations scare them because in answering one question, logic poses other more frightening riddles.

[tre]

Theories.

So's gravity, evolution and relativity. You saying there's no truth in these either?

wtf? People expect to be hit by airplanes these days?

Of course. Since 1945 when a plane accidentally hit the Empire State Building (which didn't fall down, despite being built with 50 year old technology compared to WTC) because of poor weather, all buildings over 54 stories in the USA are designed to withstand earthquakes, high winds, and planes. Most in the rest of the world probably are too.

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

Of course. Since 1945 when a plane accidentally hit the Empire State Building (which didn't fall down, despite being built with 50 year old technology compared to WTC) because of poor weather, all buildings over 54 stories in the USA are designed to withstand earthquakes, high winds, and planes. Most in the rest of the world probably are too.

It was also a much smaller plane.

[BerG]

This thread is about conspiracy theories in general, not 9/11.

For discussion on 9/11 go here:

http://forums.getsome.co.nz/index.php/topic,52492.0.html

or here:

http://forums.getsome.co.nz/index.php/topic,15112.0.html

[Ngati_Grim]

Or continue discussing it here, in this thread, which I started, is current and deals with Conspiracy Theories, including 911.


Here's an interesting link, which is worth looking at if you're at all interested in informed opinions rather than those of a rag-tag of gamers:

http://cms.ae911truth.org/

[Crazy_Whitey]

I'd much rather listen to "rag-tag" gamers than some nutjob.

[SteddieEddie]

How about Paul's ears

[Stephens]

consider the impact of 2 boeing 747's hurtling into 2 seperate buildings

be enough to bring me down

[TofuEater]

9/11 is one of the conspiracy theories that has legs,

Like Heather Mills. But seriously, produce ONE person (out of the cast of thousands) who was involved. Surely there is SOMEONE out there who has a conscience and want's to get it off their chest?

[Pyromanik]

Don't be silly. Everyone knows the government will just shoot them before they can talk.
And when they do so anonymously, they just attribute it to crazy conspiracy theories.