Good programming language to learn?

[Pyromanik]

my pseudo code here is some weird mix between C and lua :p

Oh, I C xD

Just got home from work experience.

I understand what you all have explained, But I don't understand why you would need to, apart from doing something to the whole array of items at once. Why not just make...

string cubbyholebox1;
string cubbyholebox2;
string cubbyholebox3;

if user says so and so, cubbyhole1= shoes

I'm just confused by how its different. It kinda just seems tidier D:

I thought of another use, which really might only apply to gmod, which could add a new line in the array each time it finds a specific object.

Hmm.
Time for another analogy.
Probably a bad one, because if you're anything like me, you don't. But the concept is there.





Do you put your clothes in a drawer to keep them tidy?
All t-shirts in one draw, all shorts in another...
You know where they all are. You probalby know what order they're in, since you put them in there. So you can just go grab the one you want.

Or, you can keep them strewn all around your bedroom like I do and spend 10 minutes in the morning trying to find a freak'n clean shirt to wear.




Lets say you had a pile of shirts you need to iron.
You can't manipulate variable names on the fly, so you can't go:

(shirt + i).iron();

You'll forever be going:
shirt1.iron()
shirt2.iron()
shirt3.iron()

etc.

With an array, you can iron the lot easily with a loop.

It's a much cleaner, neater, easier to maintain piece of code.

[toofast]

Cheers for that, it does sound like gtk. I will have a look today.

GTK is C, not C++.

Well there seems to be references to gtk in creating the menus etc. Maybe its a c++ file with c code in it.

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//the menu:
m_refActionGroup = Gtk::ActionGroup::create();
//file menu:
m_refActionGroup->add(Gtk::Action::create("FileMenu", "File"));
m_refActionGroup->add(Gtk::Action::create("FileQuit", Gtk::Stock::QUIT), sigc::mem_fun(*this, &Gui::on_quit));
//view menu
m_refActionGroup->add(Gtk::Action::create("ViewMenu", "View"));
m_refActionGroup->add(Gtk::Action::create("ShowGraphs", "Graphs"), sigc::mem_fun(&graphs_window, &GraphsWindow::Show));
m_refActionGroup->add(Gtk::Action::create("ShowGPS", "GPS Plot"), sigc::mem_fun(&gpswindow, &GPSWindow::Show));
m_refActionGroup->add(Gtk::Action::create("Options", "Program Options"), sigc::mem_fun(&parameterswindow, &ParametersWindow::Show));
m_refActionGroup->add(Gtk::Action::create("StageWindow", "Create Stage Window"), sigc::mem_fun(*this, &Gui::on_create_laser_display));

//datalogging menu:
m_refActionGroup->add(Gtk::Action::create("LogMenu", "Logging"));
m_reflog_data = Gtk::ToggleAction::create("EnableLog", "Log Data?");
m_reflog_data->set_active(true);
m_refActionGroup->add(m_reflog_data, sigc::mem_fun(*this, &Gui::on_log_data_clicked));
m_refstart_new_log = Gtk::Action::create("RestartLog", "Start New Logfile");
m_refActionGroup->add(m_refstart_new_log, sigc::mem_fun(*this, &Gui::on_log_data_clicked));
//help menu:
m_refActionGroup->add(Gtk::Action::create("HelpMenu", "Help") );
m_refActionGroup->add(Gtk::Action::create("HelpAbout", Gtk::Stock::HELP), sigc::mem_fun(*this, &Gui::on_help) );

m_refUIManager = Gtk::UIManager::create();

I can handle some of the code, but i am sure he didn't create the whole thing from some text editor.

I mean heres some text box code

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TextBox::TextBox(string name) : m_clearbutton("Clear") {
set_label(name);
set_size_request(270,1);
add(m_box);
m_box.pack_start(m_scrolledwindow);
m_box.pack_start(m_clearbox, PACK_SHRINK);
m_clearbox.pack_start(m_clearbutton, PACK_SHRINK);
m_clearbutton.signal_clicked().connect(sigc::mem_fun(*this, &TextBox::on_clearbutton));

//only show the scrollbars when they are necessary:
m_scrolledwindow.set_policy(POLICY_AUTOMATIC, POLICY_AUTOMATIC);
m_textview.set_editable(false);
m_scrolledwindow.add(m_textview);
m_reftextbuffer = TextBuffer::create();
m_textview.set_buffer(m_reftextbuffer);
//for scrolling to the bottom:
m_mark = m_reftextbuffer->create_mark(m_reftextbuffer->end(), false);
}

void TextBox::AddText(string const& text) {
m_reftextbuffer->insert(m_reftextbuffer->end(), text);
m_textview.scroll_to(m_mark);
}
void TextBox::on_clearbutton() {
m_reftextbuffer->set_text("");
}
While i can figure out what is doing, I am not sure how I will add more things to this structure in a text editor without spending a lot of time. So hopefully someone here can make some head way into this.

[Kayne]

is tic tac toe meant to be 2 player or have a computer ai

[Bell]

tic tac toe is a good wee project to first do some ai on since the search space is so small.

[Kayne]

/friendrequest

Anyone that I can add to friendlist to get 24/7 help?

[Spoonguard]

You are right that arrays are a abstraction. But without them, the language syntax would be much less flexible. In most languages your cubbyhole example would require some sort of for loop with some string concatenation to query every cubbyhole in whatever set, which is much harder than using a numbered array.

The most common application of Arrays is bitmaps. Lets consider a 16x16 picture, with colour, an icon if you will. To store this, we can use a array like int icon [16][16] for instance. We can then draw a icon with 3 small squares in red, green and blue by defining each pixel in code:

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#DEFINE white 0xFFFFFF
#DEFINE red 0xFF0000
#DEFINE green 0x00FFF0
#DEFINE blue 0x0000FF

icon[1],[1] = white; icon[2][1] = white ; icon[3][1] = white ; icon[4][1] = white ; icon[5][1] = white ; icon[6][1] = white ; icon[7][1] = white ; icon[8][1] = white ; icon[9][1] = white ; icon[10][1] = white ; icon[11][1] = white ; icon[12][1] = white ; icon[13][1] = white ; icon[14][1] = white ; icon[15][1] = white ; icon[16][1] = white ;
icon[2][2] = red ; icon[3][2] = red ; icon[4][2] = white ; icon[5][2] = white ; icon[6][2] = white ; icon[7][2] = white ; icon[8][2] = white ; icon[9][2] = white ; icon[10][2] = white ; icon[11][2] = white ; icon[12][2] = white ; icon[13][2] = white ; icon[14][2] = white ; icon[15][2] = white ; icon[16][2] = white ;
icon[2][3] = red ; icon[3][3] = red ; icon[4][3] = white ; icon[5][3] = white ; icon[6][3] = white ; icon[7][3] = white ; icon[8][3] = white ; icon[9][3] = white ; icon[10][3] = white ; icon[11][3] = white ; icon[12][3] = white ; icon[13][3] = white ; icon[14][3] = white ; icon[15][3] = white ; icon[16][3] = white ;
icon[2][4] = white ; icon[3][4] = white ; icon[4][4] = green ; icon[5][4] = green ; icon[6][4] = white ; icon[7][4] = white ; icon[8][4] = white ; icon[9][4] = white ; icon[10][4] = white ; icon[11][4] = white ; icon[12][4] = white ; icon[13][4] = white ; icon[14][4] = white ; icon[15][4] = white ; icon[16][4] = white ;
icon[2][5] = white ; icon[3][5] = white ; icon[4][5] = green ; icon[5][5] = green ; icon[6][5] = white ; icon[7][5] = white ; icon[8][5] = white ; icon[9][5] = white ; icon[10][5] = white ; icon[11][5] = white ; icon[12][5] = white ; icon[13][5] = white ; icon[14][5] = white ; icon[15][5] = white ; icon[16][5] = white ;
icon[2][6] = white ; icon[3][6] = white ; icon[4][6] = white ; icon[5][6] = white ; icon[6][6] = blue ; icon[7][6] = blue ; icon[8][6] = white ; icon[9][6] = white ; icon[10][6] = white ; icon[11][6] = white ; icon[12][6] = white ; icon[13][6] = white ; icon[14][6] = white ; icon[15][6] = white ; icon[16][6] = white ;
icon[2][7] = white ; icon[3][7] = white ; icon[4][7] = white ; icon[5][7] = white ; icon[6][7] = blue ; icon[7][7] = blue ; icon[8][7] = white ; icon[9][7] = white ; icon[10][7] = white ; icon[11][7] = white ; icon[12][7] = white ; icon[13][7] = white ; icon[14][7] = white ; icon[15][7] = white ; icon[16][7] = white ;
icon[2][8] = white ; icon[3][8] = white ; icon[4][8] = white ; icon[5][8] = white ; icon[6][8] = white ; icon[7][8] = white ; icon[8][8] = white ; icon[9][8] = white ; icon[10][8] = white ; icon[11][8] = white ; icon[12][8] = white ; icon[13][8] = white ; icon[14][8] = white ; icon[15][8] = white ; icon[16][8] = white ;
icon[2][9] = white ; icon[3][9] = white ; icon[4][9] = white ; icon[5][9] = white ; icon[6][9] = white ; icon[7][9] = white ; icon[8][9] = white ; icon[9][9] = white ; icon[10][9] = white ; icon[11][9] = white ; icon[12][9] = white ; icon[13][9] = white ; icon[14][9] = white ; icon[15][9] = white ; icon[16][9] = white ;
icon[2][10] = white ; icon[3][10] = white ; icon[4][10] = white ; icon[5][10] = white ; icon[6][10] = white ; icon[7][10] = white ; icon[8][10] = white ; icon[9][10] = white ; icon[10][10] = white ; icon[11][10] = white ; icon[12][10] = white ; icon[13][10] = white ; icon[14][10] = white ; icon[15][10] = white ; icon[16][10] = white ;
icon[2][11] = white ; icon[3][11] = white ; icon[4][11] = white ; icon[5][11] = white ; icon[6][11] = white ; icon[7][11] = white ; icon[8][11] = white ; icon[9][11] = white ; icon[10][11] = white ; icon[11][11] = white ; icon[12][11] = white ; icon[13][11] = white ; icon[14][11] = white ; icon[15][11] = white ; icon[16][11] = white ;
icon[2][12] = white ; icon[3][12] = white ; icon[4][12] = white ; icon[5][12] = white ; icon[6][12] = white ; icon[7][12] = white ; icon[8][12] = white ; icon[9][12] = white ; icon[10][12] = white ; icon[11][12] = white ; icon[12][12] = white ; icon[13][12] = white ; icon[14][12] = white ; icon[15][12] = white ; icon[16][12] = white ;
icon[2][13] = white ; icon[3][13] = white ; icon[4][13] = white ; icon[5][13] = white ; icon[6][13] = white ; icon[7][13] = white ; icon[8][13] = white ; icon[9][13] = white ; icon[10][13] = white ; icon[11][13] = white ; icon[12][13] = white ; icon[13][13] = white ; icon[14][13] = white ; icon[15][13] = white ; icon[16][13] = white ;
icon[2][14] = white ; icon[3][14] = white ; icon[4][14] = white ; icon[5][14] = white ; icon[6][14] = white ; icon[7][14] = white ; icon[8][14] = white ; icon[9][14] = white ; icon[10][14] = white ; icon[11][14] = white ; icon[12][14] = white ; icon[13][14] = white ; icon[14][14] = white ; icon[15][14] = white ; icon[16][14] = white ;
icon[2][15] = white ; icon[3][15] = white ; icon[4][15] = white ; icon[5][15] = white ; icon[6][15] = white ; icon[7][15] = white ; icon[8][15] = white ; icon[9][15] = white ; icon[10][15] = white ; icon[11][15] = white ; icon[12][15] = white ; icon[13][15] = white ; icon[14][15] = white ; icon[15][15] = white ; icon[16][15] = white ;
icon[2][16] = white ; icon[3][16] = white ; icon[4][16] = white ; icon[5][16] = white ; icon[6][16] = white ; icon[7][16] = white ; icon[8][16] = white ; icon[9][16] = white ; icon[10][16] = white ; icon[11][16] = white ; icon[12][16] = white ; icon[13][16] = white ; icon[14][16] = white ; icon[15][16] = white ; icon[16][16] = white ;

Now, if we only need 8x8 of the 16x16 icon, we can manipulate the array thus:

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for (int x=1, int y=1, x<8, y<8, x++, y++)
{
print(x,y)
return 0;
}


[Pyromanik]

You should be able to do both (2p & ai) really easy Kayne.

[Kayne]

You should be able to do both (2p & ai) really easy Kayne.

Both are easy if my idea of arrays is correct. But I want to talk to someone about this lol, so virus can't steal my ideas.

Fine. I'll work out arrays myself then :<

I can't :<

[Kayne]

FUCK YOU MULTI DIMENSIONAL ARRAYS.

[Tiwaking!]

FUCK YOU MULTI DIMENSIONAL ARRAYS.

Five dimensional arrays are your friend

I'll give you some help with the tic tac toe thing, not alot of help since it is in java.

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JPanel[]squares=new JPanel[9];

for(int i=0;i<squares.length;i++){
squares[i]=new JPanel();
}
Normally I would EXTEND the JPanel to hold a custom picture and call the JPanel's "GamePanel". That way you can use them to hold the player as well so when you check through the played tiles you just need to do a simpley for loop thingy.

Tic tac toe is hard to write, despite what the huge nerds say in this thread. You can give this a go. It was an old alpha version of my flat mates "Keith n Crosses" game so it has alot of bugs the finished version does not.

See if you can figure out how it was made.

http://tiwaking.hostzi.com/keithncrosses/index.html

[Pyromanik]

FUCK YOU MULTI DIMENSIONAL ARRAYS.

You can figure them out.
Virus ragequit and played TF2 instead of studying last night, so you've got time (apart from the fact it's not a race... and he's using a different language).

Assuming the language is similar to C, you can access a multidimension array with two (or more) []'s.

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board[horizontal-index][vertical-index]
Hopefully that helps you visualise it in your head

FUCK YOU MULTI DIMENSIONAL ARRAYS.

Five dimensional arrays are your friend

I'll give you some help with the tic tac toe thing, not alot of help since it is in java.

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JPanel[]squares=new JPanel[9];

for(int i=0;i<squares.length;i++){
squares[i]=new JPanel();
}
Normally I would EXTEND the JPanel to hold a custom picture and call the JPanel's "GamePanel". That way you can use them to hold the player as well so when you check through the played tiles you just need to do a simpley for loop thingy.

Tic tac toe is hard to write, despite what the huge nerds say in this thread. You can give this a go. It was an old alpha version of my flat mates "Keith n Crosses" game so it has alot of bugs the finished version does not.

See if you can figure out how it was made.

http://tiwaking.hostzi.com/keithncrosses/index.html

JPanel sounds awfully non-console...
And that's a single dimension array!

Noughts and crosses isn't hard to write. It's more about having the commitment to see it through.

[AintNoMeInTeam]

lol, this has made me want to write a naughts and crosses AI that plays optimally *pulls out notes on minimax algorithm*

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

Also, how is the game strange?

lol, it was a quote from Wargames, awesome movie.

[Xenolightning]

Also, how is the game strange?

lol, it was a quote from Wargames, awesome movie.

Whooooosh, over and gone for six!

[Anaraith]

Haha you guys are doing my first trimester assignment for scripting. I learnt a bit but not as much as I would have liked cos the tutor didn't know how to teach and instead of explaining what we had to do he would take our keyboards and just write it himself :<

I made it in the end tho

[Spoonguard]

a most strange thread. the only way to win is not to post

[Bell]

Sums up internet forums really well.

[Kayne]

okay So i'm trying to work out how to make it that the program will realise strings regardless of their case's (i'm meaning case - sensitive)

But it keeps saying the multi dimensional array is wrong...

people.. just yell at me what i'm doing wrong here

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 public class Variables
  {
    public static string[, , ,] Easy; {{"E","A","S","Y"},{"e","a","s","y"}}
  }


I'm not quite sure how i'ld access this. I was just hoping it would look like this.

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[E] [A] [S] [Y]
[e] [a] [s] [y]
And I could tell it to look at either the top or bottom lines, and try and match up the word.

btw, I was watching the hitch hikers guide to the universe / galaxy last night, And there was a part that made me think about computers having thoughts. Then I became super keen to program. Does that make me nerdy?



EDIT : for some reason, it has a problem with the first curly bracket "{" after "...[, , ,] Easy;..."



Changing the code around abit after some googling, Everything is fine except for each letter, regardless of it being in quotes, gives the error "a nested array initialiser is expected"

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   {

      public static string[, , ,] Easy = { {E,A,S,Y},{e,a,s,y} };
    }
But, I thought string[, , ,] Easy = WAS the initialiser?

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

Just do a string.ToLowerCase();

Then match the result of that.


string name = "SpAcEMONkey";

string lowerCaseName = name.ToLowerCase();

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

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 public class Variables
  {
    public static string[, , ,] Easy; {{"E","A","S","Y"},{"e","a","s","y"}}
  }


You only want a 2d array, i.e string[,]

string[, , ,] is a 4d array.

[Tiwaking!]

JPanel sounds awfully non-console...
And that's a single dimension array!

JPanel is a good example since you can put an array on it, so if you want to put, say, 'power-ups' on the squares which are random you can have it calculate that all for you.

Because I have trouble telling left/right and up/down with two dimensional arrays in Java (but not Commodore BASIC), I usually stick with one dimensional arrays of objects, which contain an array. So for tic-tac-toe:

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public class BoardRow extends JPanel{

JPanel[]lines=new JPanel[3];

}//class
Then have:

BoardRow row1=new BoardRow();
BoardRow row2=new BoardRow();
BoardRow row3=new BoardRow();

OR

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public class Board extends JPanel{
BoardRow[]rows=new BoardRow[3];
}//classThis way you can keep all the relevant code for working out stuff in the Board and BoardRows.

This isnt how I would personally do it, but its a simple concept.

Noughts and crosses isn't hard to write. It's more about having the commitment to see it through.

Commitment is the last refuge of the learner and the first stop for huge nerds.


I'd like to help `Kayne, but I spent two hours in class crying, cursing and gnashing my teeth at Visual Studio and C# in general. It took forever to get my cow to shoot milk bottles at a baby.

A huge downgrade from 8-Bit Starcraft.

[Kayne]

Cheers but i'm still not out of the woods yet, based off dificulty i was planning to use an array to list the possible moves that the bot would do...

I can't see how to make the player win.. If i'm going to make a bot I want it to never lose lol

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

I can't see how to make the player win.. If i'm going to make a bot I want it to never lose lol

Um, you know it's Tic-Tac-Toe right?


It always ends in a draw, unless one player does a stupid mistake.

[video]NHWjlCaIrQo[/video]

[Kayne]

I can't see how to make the player win.. If i'm going to make a bot I want it to never lose lol

Um, you know it's Tic-Tac-Toe right?


It always ends in a draw, unless one player does a stupid mistake.

Yeah I know. lol

Just do a string.ToLowerCase();

Then match the result of that.


string name = "SpAcEMONkey";

string lowerCaseName = name.ToLowerCase();

Also thanks

[Pyromanik]

where an inbuilt switch for case insensitive comparison doesn't exist I'd use a regex, but that's because I'm a huge nerd apparently.