Topic: Megaupload shitdown

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Officials with Universal Music could not immediately be reached


Is that because they were mid DOSA?

Reply #25 Posted: January 20, 2012, 10:07:32 pm
Everyone needs more Bruce Campbell.

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So incrediface drunk, but this is just bullshit. even to me in this state. NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH IN THE STATES. as NZ cops have obviously done.

Reply #26 Posted: January 20, 2012, 10:28:27 pm
Everyone needs more Bruce Campbell.

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MU constantly pulls files that are reported for copyright infringement.

Part of the issue here was MU pulled the URL's and kept the files for 'admin' consumption.

Reply #27 Posted: January 20, 2012, 11:08:56 pm
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most of the shit on MU was porn anyway.
Y/n?

Reply #28 Posted: January 20, 2012, 11:14:37 pm
Everyone needs more Bruce Campbell.

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No real surprises here. It'll be interesting to see if these guys get extradited to the States - that'd be a pretty big concern. But FBI involvement etc, it's really something you've got to expect from time to time, that's the cost of having a relationship with superpowers. Just wait the til the Chinese ask us to return the favour for that millionaire-runaway.

Reply #29 Posted: January 20, 2012, 11:30:32 pm

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No one deserves that many cars anyway.

Reply #30 Posted: January 21, 2012, 12:34:16 pm

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Considering NZ radio was once the pioneer of pirate radio (Hauraki).. I'm up for a lol if they put servers on boats and sit outside jurisdiction in the ocean with their servers

Reply #31 Posted: January 22, 2012, 12:47:48 pm

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TPB relesed this which I found interesting

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INTERNETS, 18th of January 2012. PRESS RELEASE, FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE.

 Over a century ago Thomas Edison got the patent for a device which  would “do for the eye what the phonograph does for the ear”. He called  it the Kinetoscope. He was not only amongst the first to record video,  he was also the first person to own the copyright to a motion picture.

 Because of Edisons patents for the motion pictures it was close to  financially impossible to create motion pictures in the North american  east coast. The movie studios therefor relocated to California, and  founded what we today call Hollywood. The reason was mostly because  there was no patent. There was also no copyright to speak of, so the  studios could copy old stories and make movies out of them – like  Fantasia, one of Disneys biggest hits ever.

 So, the whole basis of this industry, that today is screaming about  losing control over immaterial rights, is that they circumvented  immaterial rights. They copied (or put in their terminology: “stole”)  other peoples creative works, without paying for it. They did it in  order to make a huge profit. Today, they’re all successful and most of  the studios are on the Fortune 500 list of the richest companies in the  world. Congratulations – it’s all based on being able to re-use other  peoples creative works. And today they hold the rights to what other  people create. If you want to get something released, you have to abide  to their rules. The ones they created after circumventing other peoples  rules.

 The reason they are always complainting about “pirates” today is  simple. We’ve done what they did. We circumvented the rules they created  and created our own. We crushed their monopoly by giving people  something more efficient. We allow people to have direct communication  between eachother, circumventing the profitable middle man, that in some  cases take over 107% of the profits (yes, you pay to work for them).  It’s all based on the fact that we’re competition. We’ve proven that  their existance in their current form is no longer needed. We’re just  better than they are.

 And the funny part is that our rules are very similar to the founding  ideas of the USA. We fight for freedom of speech. We see all people as  equal. We believe that the public, not the elite, should rule the  nation. We believe that laws should be created to serve the public, not  the rich corporations.

 The Pirate Bay is truly an international community. The team is  spread all over the globe – but we’ve stayed out of the USA. We have  Swedish roots and a swedish friend said this: The word SOPA means  “trash” in Swedish. The word PIPA means “a pipe” in Swedish. This is of  course not a coincidence. They want to make the internet inte a one way  pipe, with them at the top, shoving trash through the pipe down to the  rest of us obedient consumers. The public opinion on this matter is  clear. Ask anyone on the street and you’ll learn that noone wants to be  fed with trash. Why the US government want the american people to be fed  with trash is beyond our imagination but we hope that you will stop  them, before we all drown.

 SOPA can’t do anything to stop TPB. Worst case we’ll change top level  domain from our current .org to one of the hundreds of other names that  we already also use. In countries where TPB is blocked, China and Saudi  Arabia springs to mind, they block hundreds of our domain names. And  did it work? Not really. To fix the “problem of piracy” one should go to  the source of the problem. The entertainment industry say they’re  creating “culture” but what they really do is stuff like selling  overpriced plushy dolls and making 11 year old girls become anorexic.  Either from working in the factories that creates the dolls for  basically no salary or by watching movies and tv shows that make them  think that they’re fat.

 In the great Sid Meiers computer game Civilization you can build  Wonders of the world. One of the most powerful ones is Hollywood. With  that you control all culture and media in the world. Rupert Murdoch was  happy with MySpace and had no problems with their own piracy until it  failed. Now he’s complainting that Google is the biggest source of  piracy in the world – because he’s jealous. He wants to retain his mind  control over people and clearly you’d get a more honest view of things  on Wikipedia and Google than on Fox News.

 Some facts (years, dates) are probably wrong in this press release.  The reason is that we can’t access this information when Wikipedia is  blacked out. Because of pressure from our failing competitors. We’re  sorry for that.

 THE PIRATE BAY, (K)2012

Reply #32 Posted: January 22, 2012, 12:50:46 pm

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Thats fucking cool, shot coolcar. Makes you feel part of something bigger..

Reply #33 Posted: January 22, 2012, 12:59:49 pm

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http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/0121/If-feds-can-bust-Megaupload-why-bother-with-anti-piracy-bills
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If feds can bust Megaupload, why bother with anti-piracy bills?

As some of the internet's biggest power players, including Google and Wikipedia, protested two fast-tracked anti-piracy bills going through Congress, the US Justice Department launched an attack on one of the web's biggest alleged scofflaws, Megaupload, and, in a counterattack, the hacker group Anonymous temporarily blacked out DOJ's website.

Techno-pundits and mainstream observers quickly connected the dots between anti-piracy protests and the Megaupload arrests, notching the dustup as potentially the biggest salvo yet in the multi-billion dollar internet copyright wars pitting, in essence, Hollywood and its Washington lobbyists against internet free speech and its hacker protectors.

Reply #34 Posted: January 22, 2012, 07:20:37 pm
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I have some friends who had the misfortune to have this prick stay at their lodge. He made all the staff kneel in his presence, and his idea of fun was to ring up the 24 hr chef at 2 am request an elaborate meal and when it was delivered he would change his mind and get something else.

I hope bubba tears him a new one in a federal prison

Reply #35 Posted: January 23, 2012, 09:50:23 am

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I have some friends who had the misfortune to have this prick stay at their lodge. He made all the staff kneel in his presence, and his idea of fun was to ring up the 24 hr chef at 2 am request an elaborate meal and when it was delivered he would change his mind and get something else.

I hope bubba tears him a new one in a federal prison

In light of this new character reference I would like to see a gerbil forcibly uploaded into Mr. DotCom's anus.
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Reply #36 Posted: January 23, 2012, 10:36:28 am



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TPB relesed this which I found interesting

I wonder how long the people who create big-budget movies would carry on if 'hollywood' (the people who distribute the movies and make the money based on the article) was gone, and only ThePirateBay remained.

Reply #37 Posted: January 23, 2012, 10:40:11 am
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The second hearing for Dotcom is today at North Shore district court isn't it?

Reply #38 Posted: January 23, 2012, 11:08:49 am

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I see Fileserve, Uploaded and Filesonic are in panic mode at the moment.

Reply #39 Posted: January 23, 2012, 11:19:09 am

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I have some friends who had the misfortune to have this prick stay at their lodge. He made all the staff kneel in his presence, and his idea of fun was to ring up the 24 hr chef at 2 am request an elaborate meal and when it was delivered he would change his mind and get something else.

I hope bubba tears him a new one in a federal prison

Yea fuck those rich content creators and their millions of dollars.
Instead lets give millions of dollars to fat douche-bags that don't create anything instead.
Last Edit: January 23, 2012, 12:48:40 pm by Bell

Reply #40 Posted: January 23, 2012, 12:22:43 pm

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bummer they can't spell complaining - don't remember it having a t in it - ever

but interesting take on things

Reply #41 Posted: January 23, 2012, 12:23:51 pm

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Yea fuck those rich content characters and their millions of dollars.
Instead lets give millions of dollars to fat douche-bags that don't create anything instead.

I agree.

There's no way I'd pay someone for pirated content instead of the people who created it (like megadoucheload or any of the other filesharing sites).

All these justifications to pirate just don't wash with me.
Create something to sell, spend your time and money making it then watch people take it without giving you anything. See how that feels, yes, that's right, it feels like something is being stolen from you.

Saying that 'they' have millions of dollars so it's OK is just another weak way of self justification. Fact is, not everyone involved is rich, just because some of the main people are.

It's only people who offer nothing, contribute zero and sit back consuming like a black hole that want to justify taking other people's work for free.

/ 2 cents

Reply #42 Posted: January 23, 2012, 12:44:14 pm

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I agree.

There's no way I'd pay someone for pirated content instead of the people who created it (like megadoucheload or any of the other filesharing sites).

All these justifications to pirate just don't wash with me.
Create something to sell, spend your time and money making it then watch people take it without giving you anything. See how that feels, yes, that's right, it feels like something is being stolen from you.

Saying that 'they' have millions of dollars so it's OK is just another weak way of self justification. Fact is, not everyone involved is rich, just because some of the main people are.

It's only people who offer nothing, contribute zero and sit back consuming like a black hole that want to justify taking other people's work for free.

/ 2 cents

There are a few things I would like to point out with this:

1: Piracy/copyright infringement for personel use vs Piracy for Commercial use are 2 seperate things.

when done commercially - there is some monetery reward for it (ie downloading a Movie, burning it to DVD and then selling it for a profit)
Me posting a youtube video with a copyrighted song playing in the back ground, there is no monetary gain for me, there is no monetary Loss for the copyright holder (as in the people that watch my Youtube video aren't watching it for the song playing in the background therefore they have no intention of purchasing the material) yet they are complaining that if I create something original which I am neither selling nor recieving monetary gain for, that happens to include a small section of something copyrighted then this is costing them money. Add on top of that, they make profits of several Billion a year, I make an income of a fraction of that.

2: Equal access to Media.

I love Metalocalypse, it is my Favourite animated show. I am also a Sky Subscriber with most of the channel Packages. yet this content isn't availible in NZ. this leaves me with the following options:

1: Wait for the DVD to come out (several months to a year After the season has finished) and purchase it (without watching any of the shows)
2: Wait for the show to be availible (if ever) in my Area (in most cases 6 months to years after the show has finished in the US)
3: Attempt to watch the show on a company streaming website via a proxy to allow me to watch US content (Proxies which I either have to pay for, or put up with crappy quality due to bandwidth fluctuations)
4: Torrent it and enjoy

I am happy to pay for content, but in this day and age I have an expectation that if a show has been released in the US (or anywhere else for that matter) then it should be availible in NZ within a reasonable time frame. 6 months after the episode has aired or a year after the season has finished isn't reasonable.

I would also like to point out that Because I torrented all the seasons of Metalocalypse, I have since bought all the DVDs - something I may not have done if I wasn't able to download it. which brings me to my next point:

3: Wider Exposure via relaxed copyright laws.

a lot of the Music that I am into has at one point or another been downloaded. Because of this, I bought the Albums, the T-Shirts, The Concert Tickets, The Live DVD's, I lent my Albums to friends going 'this Shit is Fucking AWESOME!' etc. etc.

For a company to claim that they are loosing revenue from me is a little absurd. on the grander scale, entire genres have been created by way of relaxation of copyright - examples include Rap/Hip Hop, Jungle/Big Beat dance music, Warhammer 40K, etc. etc.

4: Their entire augument to justify the extreme measures that are proposing is because Piracy costs billions of dollars and is costing American Jobs and income.

Funnily enough, all of the companies that are touting this line still managed to make Multi Million and Multi Billion dollar profits (not losses) so clearly it isn't impacting them to the scale they are claiming or they are cutting the american jobs to make sure that they still get the large end of year profits which line the pockets of the privledged few - in which case, it isn't the piracy that is costing the jobs, it is their greed.

5: in the current form that we legally purchase media, there is a physical copy. I buy a CD of my favourite band, I listen to it in my Car. if I was to leave that CD in my car CD wallet (like most of you do) and want a copy at home, the law says I would need to buy another copy of the CD.

but why should I? I have already purchased the media, I won't be able to listen to the 2 copies of the CD. now because of their anti piracy measures it makes it harder for me to take media (that I have legally purchased) and make a legal personal copy. So I download it (cause its easier) and put a copy on my Laptop, Gaming PC, Work PC, Car, MP3 player etc. which could be considered illegal but since I have paid for the media, I should be able to have copies on My devices.

Reply #43 Posted: January 23, 2012, 03:12:46 pm

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The Demon Lord, if the content creator wanted it publically available for 'easy advertising', they would make it so. But they don't.

Much less people I know buy music now than they did 10-15 years ago. That alone is enough for me to know piracy impacts sales.

Reply #44 Posted: January 23, 2012, 03:27:26 pm
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The Demon Lord, if the content creator wanted it publically available for 'easy advertising', they would make it so. But they don't.

Much less people I know buy music now than they did 10-15 years ago. That alone is enough for me to know piracy impacts sales.


Based on what Study/findings?

remember that correlation doesn't equal Causation:

http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal-111202/

the US economy has taken a downturn because of Retardation and Greed based policies (oh the Irony) which in turn has caused ripple effects on other economies less disposable income could Also account for the downturn of sales

and not to mention the Quality of material being released could also be a factor...

As for Easy advertising, it isn't about Easy advertising, there argument is that people that download don't buy the product they have downloaded and this is causing them lost revenue. the retort to this is that people that download, on average, spend MORE on products (not just the media, but associated and complimentary offerings) than someone who doesn't download. my case in point - I download an album from a band I haven't heard. I like the Album, I buy it, I buy the T-shirt and when they come to NZ I pay the $80 to go see them. Hell in some cases I have flown over to Aus to see them.
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Based on what Study/findings?

remember that correlation doesn't equal Causation:

http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal-111202/

the US economy has taken a downturn because of Retardation and Greed based policies (oh the Irony) which in turn has caused ripple effects on other economies less disposable income could Also account for the downturn of sales

and not to mention the Quality of material being released could also be a factor...

As for Easy advertising, it isn't about Easy advertising, there argument is that people that download don't buy the product they have downloaded and this is causing them lost revenue. the retort to this is that people that download, on average, spend MORE on products (not just the media, but associated and complimentary offerings) than someone who doesn't download. my case in point - I download an album from a band I haven't heard. I like the Album, I buy it, I buy the T-shirt and when they come to NZ I pay the $80 to go see them. Hell in some cases I have flown over to Aus to see them.


what do I need a study/findings for? I was pointing out my own real-world experiences based on my peers.

Its not 'their argument', its 'their decision' not to distribute their own creation freely. You choose to decide that doesn't matter of course, because you know better.

I just asked a workmate when he last bought music, he can't remember, at least 3 years ago were his words. He used to buy a lot, now he just downloads it all. So that balances out someone like yourself that goes the other way. I wonder what kind of people there are more of?

Reply #46 Posted: January 23, 2012, 04:15:23 pm
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what do I need a study/findings for? I was pointing out my own real-world experiences based on my peers.

Its not 'their argument', its 'their decision' not to distribute their own creation freely. You choose to decide that doesn't matter of course, because you know better.

I just asked a workmate when he last bought music, he can't remember, at least 3 years ago were his words. He used to buy a lot, now he just downloads it all. So that balances out someone like yourself that goes the other way. I wonder what kind of people there are more of?

Because anecdotal evidence is really Really reliable when dealing with legal matters and making decisions that have a Global effect...

Their decision is fine - they don't want to distribute their creation freely. Thats great, but there is a difference between free distribution and copying on the internet. Not to mention the Irony that the industries that are pushing for these changes got Rich by blatantly and intentionally breaking Copyright/Patent laws. There is also a fair amount of evidence to backup the assertation that a looser approach to copyright enforcement promotes creativity which ultimately benefits the Industry by driving more revenue.

As for your friend - by your logic then, if we cancel each other out then the companies wouldn't be experiancing the lose in revenue that they keep touting (despite the huge profits that they consistantly post year after year....)

Reply #47 Posted: January 23, 2012, 04:31:21 pm

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Ahh the sense of entitlement is staggering.

I totally agree that distribution needs to stop living in the past and stop making it so hard to get content in such an interconnected world.
But using that as justification and trying to paint yourself as the good guy is pretty weak.

I've pirated afew tv shows when the box set is already out, because it's free and i'm lazy and couldn't be bothered going to the store.
Like %99 of people who pirate, I don't have some 17 point reason as to why my piracy is ok.

Fact is it just too easy to pirate and even if you did have some amazing infallible reason to pirate the general public don't they only care that its free.

Maybe if we were all paying a dollar per episode of Game of Thrones etc more of those shows would be made and these distribution systems can be setup easier, at the moment they have to compete with free services.

I don't have the answers on how to do this correctly and efficiently but I'm not against the principle.
Last Edit: January 23, 2012, 04:50:13 pm by Bell

Reply #48 Posted: January 23, 2012, 04:35:34 pm

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As for Easy advertising, it isn't about Easy advertising, there argument is that people that download don't buy the product they have downloaded and this is causing them lost revenue. the retort to this is that people that download, on average, spend MORE on products (not just the media, but associated and complimentary offerings) than someone who doesn't download. my case in point - I download an album from a band I haven't heard. I like the Album, I buy it, I buy the T-shirt and when they come to NZ I pay the $80 to go see them. Hell in some cases I have flown over to Aus to see them.

Never done this any of this.
Infact I haven't download many songs in general I mostly get stuff from other people who say hey check out these dudes, as they pass me a USB key to plug into my computer.
And I bet the person like me is more common than the person like you.

Reply #49 Posted: January 23, 2012, 04:54:52 pm