Topic: KONY 2012

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Quote from: Tiwaking!;1475091

Unfortunately my YouTube feed is flooded with Kony related videos now. Thankfully they are from thoughtful people who, like Oddball, have come to their own conclusion.

What, because people's opinions differ from yours, they're wrong? You're not prepared to call them "their own" unless they align more closely with what you, and others, have arrived at?

What if people's "own" opinions where still to support the KONY campaign? Would you still lambast them?

Reply #100 Posted: March 15, 2012, 08:56:14 am



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What, because people's opinions differ from yours, they're wrong? You're not prepared to call them "their own" unless they align more closely with what you, and others, have arrived at?

What if people's "own" opinions where still to support the KONY campaign? Would you still lambast them?
Their opinion is "There is more to this Kony story than meets the eye and that you should go looking for information about the organisation BEFORE you make a decision for yourself".

This isnt a case of ingroups and outgroups, ingroup and out group bias, or even outgroup homogeneity bias. Here is an example of a video in my list:


The thing is there are ALOT of videos like this, usually much longer.


Just because a persons opinion has been consistently wrong in the past doesnt mean I will pay less attention to it in the future. "The past is the future" is the Necromancers catch phrase. Well, one of them. The other one is in the title.

Reply #101 Posted: March 15, 2012, 09:16:05 am
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Quote from: Tiwaking!;1475101
Their opinion is "There is more to this Kony story than meets the eye and that you should go looking for information about the organisation BEFORE you make a decision for yourself".
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Goes without saying in everything you read/watch/hear I don't really need thousands of people all chanting the same thing.
What people are really trying to say is "LOOK INTO IT AND HATE IT LIKE ME!" not look into it and make your own mind up.
That's what you are trying to say as well going by your previous post, so don't give me that innocent line

But at the end of the day even the anger directed at the group is raising their profile and advertising their cause even those who are jumping on the hate train are now more informed indirectly about this issue and that is one of the main purposes of their campaign.

Hands up who knows about kony?
Oh 100million+  people... cool
Last Edit: March 15, 2012, 10:18:00 am by Bell

Reply #102 Posted: March 15, 2012, 10:12:03 am

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Quote from: Bell;1475108
Goes without saying in everything you read/watch/hear I don't really need thousands of people all chanting the same thing.
What people are really trying to say is "LOOK INTO IT AND HATE IT LIKE ME!" not look into it and make your own mind up.
That's what you are trying to say as well going by your previous post, so don't give me that innocent line
I will support something until it asks me for money.


If you ask me for money, then it becomes business. And I take business VERY seriously.

100+ million people know who KONY is? Cool. If each person gave $1 then that organisation just made $100,000,000.

According to the statistics: 30% of that goes to the actual cause. Net profit: $70,000,000.


Thats what I hate.

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Quote from: Tiwaking!;1475111
According to the statistics: 30% of that goes to the actual cause. Net profit: $70,000,000.


Thats what I hate.

That's some awesome black & white statistics you got there, Tiwa.

Reply #104 Posted: March 15, 2012, 10:29:13 am



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Reply #105 Posted: March 15, 2012, 10:30:11 am

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That's some awesome black & white statistics you got there, Tiwa.

Are you accusing me of becoming old, affluent, and republican?!?!

Hmm. You might have a point there.
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Quote from: Tiwaking!;1475111
I will support something until it asks me for money.


If you ask me for money, then it becomes business. And I take business VERY seriously.

100+ million people know who KONY is? Cool. If each person gave $1 then that organisation just made $100,000,000.

According to the statistics: 30% of that goes to the actual cause. Net profit: $70,000,000.


Thats what I hate.

I'm not sure you understand the concept of a not-for-profit organization.
If you really think thats how they are running I think you need to do some research.

You know watching opinion youtube videos isn't actually real research, you wouldn't use youtube as a source for a research paper that's for sure :P
Last Edit: March 15, 2012, 10:44:32 am by Bell

Reply #107 Posted: March 15, 2012, 10:36:36 am

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Quote from: Bell;1475119
I'm not sure you understand the concept of a not-for-profit organization.
If you really think thats how they are running I think you need to do some research.

You know watching opinion youtube videos isn't actually real research, you wouldn't use youtube as a source for a research paper that's for sure :P

I would like to make a comment about this, but we will have to wait until the end of the year/next year for the release of 2012 financial reports.

Suffice to say: They have made more money than the entirety of 2011.


Now. You can go do the research to find out how I found that out.

edit: And yes I know the Kony 2012 thing is not a scam, but the number of people who have seen the Kony thing is four times the population of Uganda. It is a marketing persons wet dream.
Last Edit: March 15, 2012, 10:53:29 am by Tiwaking!

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I read somewhere kony is no longer in uganda and only had 100 followers ...

Reply #109 Posted: March 15, 2012, 10:59:03 am

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but you don't care anyway

Reply #110 Posted: March 15, 2012, 11:10:54 am

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Quote from: Tiwaking!;1475120
I would like to make a comment about this, but we will have to wait until the end of the year/next year for the release of 2012 financial reports.

Suffice to say: They have made more money than the entirety of 2011.


Now. You can go do the research to find out how I found that out.

edit: And yes I know the Kony 2012 thing is not a scam, but the number of people who have seen the Kony thing is four times the population of Uganda. It is a marketing persons wet dream.

And these are supposed to be negatives??
Do you only support unsuccessful NGO's?
Is this just a case of tall poppies tiwa

Reply #111 Posted: March 15, 2012, 11:12:54 am

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Quote from: Bell;1475126
And these are supposed to be negatives??
Do you only support unsuccessful NGO's?
Is this just a case of tall poppies tiwa

A successful misinformation campaign disguised as half truth mixed in with moral panic just leads me to conclude that the world isnt moving forward, it is moving backwards at half the pace.
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but you don't care anyway
I know this wasnt aimed at me but ...  I care about you and your opinion. I dont care about other peoples opinion about me personally though.

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But what they said in that video was true.
It was super simplified mainly because a dry facts documentary would have been boring and gathered no interest.
If you had to listen to a mono-tone professor talk about American Politics and not people like Jon Stewart I bet many of us would know a lot less about that topic.

With both  Jon Stewart and these guys the flashy well produced videos they both make are a starting point, they bring my attention to something and then I look into hard facts on my own.
I'm gonna give these guys a shot and hope this debate and interest in aid in the developing world continues because it sure beats the hell of out people arguing about which cellphone is the best and talking about how awesome Steve Jobs was.
Last Edit: March 15, 2012, 12:47:13 pm by Bell

Reply #113 Posted: March 15, 2012, 12:33:47 pm

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Saw these on the way to school today


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I have yet to see any kony stickers or such. But i dont believe aucklanders care about anything.

Also:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10792246
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More than 77 million people around the world have watched the Kony 2012 video, but the victims of Joseph Kony have slammed the film following its premiere in Northern Uganda.

The African Youth Initiative Network charity sought to change that, with plans to show the clip in outdoor theatres across northern Uganda.

However further screenings have been cancelled after the "premiere" of the video on Tuesday night local time in Lira Town prompted an angry response.

Event organisers were sent fleeing for cover when rocks were thrown as the crowd turned angry at the conclusion of the film.

He told the Guardian after the screening people were "very angry" about the film.

"They were all saying, 'This is not about us, it does not reflect our lives'."

People were most outraged about the Stop Kony campaign merchandise, such as T-shirts, posters and bracelets.

"It was very hurtful for them and their families to see posters, bracelets and buttons, all looking like slick campaign ads of the person most responsible for their shattered lives. One young man who lost four brothers and one of his arms said afterwards: 'How can anybody expect me to wear a T-shirt with Kony's name on it?'" Mr Ochen, whose own father and brother were abducted by the LRA, told the Guardian.


Reply #116 Posted: March 15, 2012, 06:28:41 pm

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Quote from: toofast;1475209
I have yet to see any kony stickers or such. But i dont believe aucklanders care about anything.

Also:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10792246

This article warmed the cockles of my heart. Support Invisible Children? Yes.

Support this video? no.

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77 million, x2.

At least 150 million people have seen it. The 3 people I know that have seen it, have watched it with someone else. Pretty safe bet we can at least double YouTube numbers.

Anywho, Kony dead or alive, found or not, arrested or not, he has a 2IC. Oh, and a 3IC...

Its one guy, who if I am a betting man, would say he will have someone in line.

I support the cause, but its just that... another cause.

Reply #118 Posted: March 16, 2012, 11:19:35 pm
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Charlie Brooker's take:



Reply #119 Posted: March 17, 2012, 11:27:52 am
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Reply #120 Posted: March 17, 2012, 12:09:51 pm
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Jason Russell, co-founder of the controversial nonprofit Invisible Children and the star of its ultra-viral fundraising campaign video KONY2012, was arrested yesterday in the San Diego neighborhood of Pacific Beach for masturbating in public while under the influence.

The San Diego Police Department says Russell, 33, was taken into custody after he was caught masturbating in public and vandalizing cars. Lt. Andra Brown also noted that he was under the influence, but did not identify the substance.

His overall behavior was said to have been “Very strange.”


http://thedailywh.at/2012/03/16/didnt-see-that-coming-of-the-day/


http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/jason-russell-san-diego-invisible-children-kony-2012-142970255.html

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Oh lawd, he done George Michael'd himself.

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Oh lawd, he done George Michael'd himself.

I lol'd.. hard

Reply #123 Posted: March 17, 2012, 01:17:11 pm

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Charlie Brooker's take:

http://rt.com/usa/news/kony-2012-arrested-masturbating-777/[/url]

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