Battlefield 4 Officially Confirmed

[Ranger Bob]

I don't like Justin Bieber's music either, but its incredibly popular. If Eric Clapton's next album was indistinguishable from a Justin Bieber album, I'd be disappointed too.

Well here is 2 different aspect's, you are Comparing Eric Clapton to Justin Beiber, and i'll be inclined to agree. But if Clapton was BF and Beiber was [insert game] the argument stands that battlefield gameplay is still uniquely battlefield (although other games are starting to come out with similar formats), how ever if one was to say Eric Clapton album indistinguishable from other Eric Clapton albums, well now we're coming into game franchise material across the board.

[5loth]

mod....not a game

A mod is a game? Its a modification of an existing game, to make a new game. Day Z for example, is a game in itself, created by modifying Arma 2.

Every source game is simply a "mod" of the source engine is it not? Do these not count as games either? Or 2142, essentially a mod of BF2, the only difference being it cost money compared to something like PoE.

[Bell]

Of course a mod is a game what a ridiculous thing to say.

[GhostOfGallipoli]

A mod is a game? Its a modification of an existing game, to make a new game. Day Z for example, is a game in itself, created by modifying Arma 2.

Every source game is simply a "mod" of the source engine is it not? Do these not count as games either? Or 2142, essentially a mod of BF2, the only difference being it cost money compared to something like PoE.

sigh, fine

game = something made for sale
mod = modification of commercial game, usually by groups of talented amateurs, ether as a labour of love, or to get their foot in the industry.

arma II you have to buy, dayz is free (at least for now)


links back to the hipster comment, game/band is only cool while I like and no one else does, or until it becomes profitable. I was into it when it was underground, never as good as their original stuff, sellouts etc etc etc

[Bell]

Well here is 2 different aspect's, you are Comparing Eric Clapton to Justin Beiber, and i'll be inclined to agree. But if Clapton was BF and Beiber was [insert game] the argument stands that battlefield gameplay is still uniquely battlefield (although other games are starting to come out with similar formats), how ever if one was to say Eric Clapton album indistinguishable from other Eric Clapton albums, well now we're coming into game franchise material across the board.

BF isn't like CoD in that aspect yet, every BF game is distinguishable from the previous installments.

[Bell]

sigh, fine

game = something made for sale
mod = modification of commercial game, usually by groups of talented amateurs, ether as a labour of love, or to get their foot in the industry.

arma II you have to buy, dayz is free (at least for now)


links back to the hipster comment, game/band is only cool while I like and no one else does, or until it becomes profitable. I was into it when it was underground, never as good as their original stuff, sellouts etc etc etc

Bullshit it does.
BF42 and BFV and their mods were really popular in their time. Just because you weren't around doesn't mean it was underground.

[5loth]

links back to the hipster comment, game/band is only cool while I like and no one else does, or until it becomes profitable. I was into it when it was underground, never as good as their original stuff, sellouts etc etc etc

 
Or perhaps game made as labour of love happens to result in offering a more enjoyable gameplay experience for someone than a game that was made to make money? Does that just sound too ridiculous in your mind?

[Bell]

IMO because dev teams were smaller back 7 or so years ago more risks could be taken and a bigger selection of game studios could complete in the same Genre.
Budgets are now so high that only a few select studios can complete in the mainstream FPS market so the diversity is taking a hit.
Battlefield can't afford to cater their games towards me, they need console players to get a big enough return on investment.

The direction of the more recent installments of BF are obviously different to those of old so don't give me this "can't change with the times"/"you only liked it when it wasn't popular" crap.
I feel I understand the reasons for it and don't really blame them but that doesn't mean I support where they are going.

I'm mostly just sad that the majority don't seem to what the type of Multiplier experiences I do, if a team with the budget of CoD put all that effort into making a in-depth, large scale vehicular combat multiplier experience what they could achieve with the current broadband speeds and computer power on PC would dwarf everything we have seen before. Instead all the investment in gaming is going toward providing a shit ton of art assets and in game cgi sequences to make it feel movie like and the technology is getting restricted because the control scheme has to work on a console controller and the game world has to run on 512MB of RAM and a relatively weak processor.

I personally don't give a shit about scripted sequences, story or some sort of character development. I prefer being given a rich game world with a vast array of gameplay options and then spawning as some nameless solider on the red team and being told to defeat the blue team.
And that's exactly what BF42 was when it first came out, there was noway that game was going to be able to be ported to the console at that time, the controls wouldn't have worked the terrain engine wouldn't have run and there was no chance of having at minimum 32 players.

[GhostOfGallipoli]

Bullshit it does.
BF42 and BFV and their mods were really popular in their time. Just because you weren't around doesn't mean it was underground.

I was around& played them (forgotten hope especially), just not involved in the community/competition/clan scene.
 

Or perhaps game made as labour of love happens to result in offering a more enjoyable gameplay experience for someone than a game that was made to make money? Does that just sound too ridiculous in your mind?

I think it would be pretty naive to think that just because you're getting paid, you don't love what you do & want to see people enjoy it.


my point still stands, there are always people around, in any scene, that hate what they have, that refer backwards with such rose tinted glasses that it becomes ridiculous IMO. just so happens I find it a boring attitude to be around.

 I had a great time....for a long time playing BF2, but I'm not blind to all the bullshit that I hated at the same time.

 if you don't enjoy it, go off and do something else, it's exactly why I haven't been playing BF3 since mass effect came out...but I've come back to it, and I'm having fun.

[Kopfjaeger]

OT:  do we have an 'era' for BF4 yet ?  BTW AI-X2.0 > BF2 > BF3 > PoE2 > and whatever that nitro buggy on Kark mod was

[EnjoyTheSauce]

It'll surely be another modern military setting. Shooters need to go back to the older ways of cycling through era's i.e. WW2-Vietnam-Modern-Future. With the constant repetition of modern combat era, the genre is stagnated and successive games hardly add anything new, not that we didn't already know this. I imagine its just so much more cost effective to release what is effectively the previous title with some new maps and updated graphics.

[Ranger Bob]

It'll surely be another modern military setting. Shooters need to go back to the older ways of cycling through era's i.e. WW2-Vietnam-Modern-Future. With the constant repetition of modern combat era, the genre is stagnated and successive games hardly add anything new, not that we didn't already know this. I imagine its just so much more cost effective to release what is effectively the previous title with some new maps and updated graphics.

Yeap and as long as they still sell, will continue to do so

[kongkiwi]

I liked BC2 Vietnam, because I wasn't stuck in streets and buildings.  Sitting among rocks and hills that aren't destructible was different to everything being blown up around me.  Era's aren't that important, look at 2142, greatest game ever made, and they didn't focus on it being ultra modern, (except the titan, given) but the game play was great, voip worked and squads had 6 players.  All they need to do is get squad play to work ingame, with voip.  Battlelog and 3rd party voip means you play with the same people all day every day.  

But I'm weird...

[Wandarah]

Bf2 was released at the dawn of broadband in this country and some may argue it was the first fps to provide relatively stable ping and lag free game play

Really? Who the fuck are those idiots then?

[Aloysius]

So what's next?
We're already jaded and dissatisfied with the next BF3. It's about now ish that some slightly smaller developer announces a FPS that we hope will meet all our needs and more.
eg: ET:QW, wolfenstein... w/e it was called, shattered horizon, MoH (latest iteration), BC2, RO2HOS, brink, cs:go, etc.
I'm sure that this time there'll be a good game whose hype lasts for more than 2 hours past release.

[Bell]

I think the dawn of broadband happened when Ranger bob first got it 3 or 4 years after everyone else.

[Bell]

So what's next?

It will be ARMA3 for me but it's pretty niche but maybe Day Z's popularity will bring a bigger playerbase.
I'll only play it when I have a free weekend or something its not the type of game you just have a quick 30min play with,

[Ranger Bob]

Really? Who the fuck are those idiots then?

I'm guessing you have memories of joining a server only to have major lag issues, which was often fixed by joining another server. Or playing for an hour or 2 before hitting lag spikes which was often fixed by resetting server's or router? completely forgetting that you could often go for days/weeks in a total lag free environment. Yet before bf2 everything was played on 56k modems and lag and high ping was pretty much a part of every day game play.

[EnjoyTheSauce]

So what's next?
We're already jaded and dissatisfied with the next BF3. It's about now ish that some slightly smaller developer announces a FPS that we hope will meet all our needs and more.
eg: ET:QW, wolfenstein... w/e it was called, shattered horizon, MoH (latest iteration), BC2, RO2HOS, brink, cs:go, etc.
I'm sure that this time there'll be a good game whose hype lasts for more than 2 hours past release.

Ravaged is looking pretty neat, but it remains to be seen if the community will support it. Then there's Planetside 2, which is looking pretty amazing.

[Bell]

Whens PlanetSide 2 out? I'm totally keen for that.

[EnjoyTheSauce]

Im not sure, they're doing closed beta testing at the moment.

[SteddieEddie]

Haven't read through this thread, so not sure what has been talked about.

A friend of mine has had a look at a beta for BF4 and told me.

Commander is back in as per bf2
Destructible building is in as per bad company 2
Naval battles is in as per 1942.

From what he has seen, it is step back in the right direction of a pc led game but time will tell

[The Demon Lord]

Haven't read through this thread, so not sure what has been talked about.

A friend of mine has had a look at a beta for BF4 and told me.

Commander is back in as per bf2
Destructible building is in as per bad company 2
Naval battles is in as per 1942.

From what he has seen, it is step back in the right direction of a pc led game but time will tell

Empty promises - like it will be designed purely for PCs without any porting from a console and there will be a big focus on community and E Sports

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

Haven't read through this thread, so not sure what has been talked about.

A friend of mine has had a look at a beta for BF4 and told me.

Commander is back in as per bf2
Destructible building is in as per bad company 2
Naval battles is in as per 1942.

From what he has seen, it is step back in the right direction of a pc led game but time will tell

That would be good if true.

Commander was fun to play.

Lying down in the mud, calling down arty strikes on the enemy.

[nevjmac]

Hope they take those right steps, otherwise they are just shooting themselves in the feet. We don't need to please the CoD fanbase