Total Members Voted: 40
Voting closed: August 28, 2013, 11:06:08 pm
One third isn't really 'most people'.Also I disagree that the percentage of religion in a country has any significant effect on gay marriage. Both Canada and South Africa support gay marriage and they both have over a 70% religious population.
I don't understand why anyone would want to get married.
What we won't have, is any unwanted pregnancies, that's for sure.Any children to a Gay couple will be an active decision on both parties.
I was fully for this bill but after a little thought...I strongly dislike religion and I don't think state and religion should ever mix. I don't think that under any circumstances should any one person's beliefs be forced upon to someone else. The problem with this bill, while not intentional, is implicitly forcing a belief change onto religions which is kind of contradictory.It's my understanding that the only difference between marriage and civil union is the name and the right to adopt. Let them adopt ffs or are gay couples simply upset because they don't like the term "civil union" What if we legally replaced references to marriage and had generic unions that are all legally equal regardless if religious, civil, or uncivil???
As a slight side discussion - I am a bit conservative when it comes to Gay people raising kids - I have no problem with it so long as on the adoption form they have to specify a surrogate Mother/Father. My reasoning is just this:I believe that a child forms a special bond with each of its parents - cases in point, when I was younger, I would always want to go to the Park/play football with my Dad but when I had hurt myself, I would always go see my Mum. I believe that having the balance of both inputs (male and Female perspective) is important - we have (although they are derogatory) phrases in the english language to describe some of these special bonds: Mummies Boy and Daddies Girl And on the flip side, I believe that every Son needs a Dad to teach him how to be a Man and likewise every Daughter needs a Mother to teach her how to be a Woman.Am I against Gay Adoption? - No. Do I believe that Most Gay parents would do a million times better than most of the scum of humanity who don't wear protection, get pregnant and then bring a child into the world when they aren't mentally, Financially and emotionally ready? - Yes I think Gay Parents would do a better job.But I still think that a Child needs both the Male and Female Love/attention and input - so having a Gay couple with a surrogate 3rd to provide that input is fine with me. And plus the child gets the Love of 3 parents instead of 2.(yes feel free to call me a touch old fashioned, but I do strongly believe that, like most things in life, Balance is required)
I agree to a point TDL, but I think it's a non-issue. Further, I'd say that making it mandatory to nominate a surrogate would be too intrusive.Not well versed in the protocol of adoption in NZ, but I assume there's some decent vetting to ensure parents are suitable. I would suggest that most same-sex couples accept that each sex has an important part in shaping the mind of a child - and therefore, would make moves to ensure that base is covered. They're going to be aware of the issues and will, on their own accord, ensure those issues are mitigated. There's conclusive evidence to suggest a number of parental practices can improve outcomes for children, but we don't have to incorporate them into policy or legislation, this would be one of those issues.
Good Points, Good Points.I agree that I am also not an expert in adoption, but I would put forward that there are situations/scenarios where a couple could have a child naturally but if they went to adopt - they would be declined for being in-elligible and those reasons wouldn't be considered intrusive. I would like to believe that my idea would also not be considered too intrusive - although good points that I think most Gay people would also see the value in having a member of the opposite Sex have a regular input into a young childs life.But as I said - I am a little conservative in this area and rather than let it happen on a couples own accord - I would prefer that it be a requirement or even a weighted factor (ie you don't necessarily need to have one, but it is major plus points if you do kinda thing)
I just dont get it, aren't there a lot of single parent families out there. I mean i am sure a fair share have some contact with their other parent, but there are kids out there who only have access to 1 parent. Should we bringing in a surrogate for them as well? While i am sure having both a male and female influence in your life, might help you growing up, i am sure kids will turn out fine with just the 1 parent (or 2 parents of the same sex).
As a slight side discussion - I am a bit conservative when it comes to Gay people raising kids - I have no problem with it so long as on the adoption form they have to specify a surrogate Mother/Father. My reasoning is just this:I believe that a child forms a special bond with each of its parents - cases in point, when I was younger, I would always want to go to the Park/play football with my Dad but when I had hurt myself, I would always go see my Mum. I believe that having the balance of both inputs (male and Female perspective) is important - we have (although they are derogatory) phrases in the english language to describe some of these special bonds: Mummies Boy and Daddies Girl And on the flip side, I believe that every Son needs a Dad to teach him how to be a Man and likewise every Deughter needs a Mother to teach her how to be a Woman.Am I against Gay Adoption? - No. Do I believe that Most Gay parents would do a million times better than most of the scum of humanity who don't wear protection, get pregnant and then bring a child into the world when they aren't mentally, Financially and emotionally ready? - Yes I think Gay Parents would do a better job.But I still think that a Child needs both the Male and Female Love/attention and input - so having a Gay couple with a sorrugate 3rd to provide that input is fine with me. And plus the child gets the Love of 3 parents instead of 2.(yes feel free to call me a touch old fashioned, but I do strongly believe that, like most things in life, Balance is required)
very old fashioned indeed however why should this only be applied to same sex couples? there are plenty of hetero marriages who have children split up and one parent disappears or the amount of hetero couples who find their pregnant and majority speaking the father bails off. i know plenty of children who were raised by one parent and have zero contact with the other and have turned out ok myself and my hubby included. Mr Fairy was raised by his mum and his mum taught him how to be a man. She was rugby league coach for years and frankly did a better job in teaching him how to be a man. i dont believe "enforcing" a surrogate will mean shit at all. If you want children and you want to ensure they are raised in a loving supportive household then it doesnt matter whether your parents are from the same sex or not its the desire and the want.i know plenty of hetero parents that treat their kids like shit - you read about it daily. i think you will find same sex couples are better prepared for children they cant have naturally with their partners - they have better financial backup theyve been and lived out the experiences they wanted (unlike many hetero couples who suddenly find suprise pregnancies)im sorry but i clearly disagree with your views
From the Herald article today on a protest in Auckland. A picture is worth a thousand words, but I think this needs only four: Never go full retard.
