Topic: Solomon Islanders and Dolphins

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Intelligence (in relation to human intelligence) is the determining factor in whether its OK to eat an animal?

Reply #50 Posted: February 01, 2013, 07:46:17 pm
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Well either that or cuteness, you draw an arbitary line in the sand based on whatever critiea is best for you and then condemn loudly all of those who kill animals above it.
My lines are delicousness and level of supply.

Personally I think this could all be solved  by breeding mentally retarded dolphins.

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Last Edit: February 01, 2013, 08:24:30 pm by Bell

Reply #51 Posted: February 01, 2013, 08:09:25 pm

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I doubt the environmental impact from these people killing dolphins holds a candle to what we probably consume or utilise before breakfast.

Yes, things are qualitatively different but when the cause is a short-term-focus, and a massive societies all looking to expand their economy off the back of fossil fuels with little or no regard to water, air and every other natural resource what's the difference?

Certain practices across the world are simply unsustainable at current levels; TDL's right these people probably could continue this practice if other things were scaled back. But there's a real danger of them causing irreversible environmental damage if they don't take notice of what's going on around them. It could have titanic implications for them in the future - they may not ever again have the opportunity to retain those cultural  if dolphins are over-fished. But at the same time, we have no moral basis for judging their cultural practices. If you feel uncomfortable, or if you feel enraged, or if you feel saddened by what the Solomon Islanders are doing - you ought to think about what you're doing about your own levels of consumption here at home.

Of course collective-action is going to be necessary in this challenge, but the individual is champion in 'Western' worlds - so if you're going to enjoy all the luxuries of your expansive 1st world democratic freedom, and all the choice that comes with it; you can't deny your ability to re-shape your own lifestyle.

Lead by example.

/self-indulgent rant.

edit: I'm not saying something shouldn't be 'done' about what's going on here, but I'm sure the best people to sort it out will be the Solomon Islanders themselves - I just don't think the nastier sentiment expressed in some posts (deserving oxygen or not etc) is valid at all, not necessarily because of the snarkiness, but because it doesn't stand to reason considering our own practices.


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Most Cows seem to have a pretty good life.

At least here in NZ.

Untill they are eaten.

I'm not a farmer, but I'm guessing that there's more dairy cows in New Zealand than beef cows. I don't know if you could say dairy cows have a good life.
Last Edit: February 01, 2013, 08:39:34 pm by Tandoori

Reply #52 Posted: February 01, 2013, 08:26:51 pm

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edit: I'm not saying something shouldn't be 'done' about what's going on here, but I'm sure the best people to sort it out will be the Solomon Islanders themselves - I just don't think the nastier sentiment expressed in some posts (deserving oxygen or not etc) is valid at all, not necessarily because of the snarkiness, but because it doesn't stand to reason considering our own practices.

Well put

Reply #53 Posted: February 01, 2013, 08:42:53 pm

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No pigs aren't as smart as dolphins but they are smarter than cats and about the same as dogs.
So wheres the line?

 
dolphins, whales, chimpanzees, and other primates where possible.

and octopus, but that's blatantly because they're just cool.

This is sounding a lot like a get high conversation.

"dude....dude....what's the most intelligent animal that you would eat?'
 
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Dairy cows get a better life than a beef cow, cause beef cows get killed for meat?

I agree with hori, except the solomon islanders cant sort it out for themselves, they honestly don't have the education for it. The fact that religion is still so rife there alone suggests they're still living in the mid 17th century.
 
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Intelligence (in relation to human intelligence) is the determining factor in whether its OK to eat an animal?

 
Not eat, kill.

Why is it not ok to kill a human? cause it's a sentient being.

While I realise dolphins aren't by definition sentient, there is strong evidence to show they are.

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Personally I think this could all be solved  by breeding mentally retarded dolphins.


Or just a sea farm?

Reply #54 Posted: February 01, 2013, 09:07:53 pm
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Those people have been living on the Solomons for a very long time, I place a great deal of faith in their ability to determine the best course of action in location they have an intimate knowledge of.

Of course there's benefits to be had by trading information and scientific research with them, which will help inform both the world view and their own.

But if you're calling for intervention - where from? who has the mandate to do that? The UN might be a good model, but it requires buy-in from each state - you can't effective police the world without an equal approach. Certainly not NZ; particularly when you also mention opposition to Gareth Morgan's campaign (for it's faults, he's brought an important issue to the fore - one we have otherwise wanted to avoid).

Don't think species' extinction isn't a problem in this country? Yeah right.
Last Edit: February 01, 2013, 09:26:29 pm by Tandoori

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No pigs aren't as smart as dolphins but they are smarter than cats and about the same as dogs.
So wheres the line?


Cats and Dogs are impractical to farm, because they're carnivorous, you'd have to farm other animals just to feed them in order to eat them, which is a bit pointless.

Pigs don't need to eat meat, so they are more efficent to farm.

Plus the taste super good.

Reply #56 Posted: February 01, 2013, 09:29:06 pm

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Cats and Dogs are impractical to farm, because they're carnivorous, you'd have to farm other animals just to feed them in order to eat them, which is a bit pointless.

Pigs don't need to eat meat, so they are more efficent to farm.

Plus the taste super good.

If I start farming dogs in NZ so I can eat them, regardless of the practicality, I'm sure New Zealanders will be be perfectly OK with that and won't start foaming at the mouth at all. Afterwards they'll wank on about how amazing bacon is.

Reply #57 Posted: February 01, 2013, 09:43:30 pm
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Those videos were pretty cool hopefully someone else watched them :P

Are you a vegetarian 5loth? I enjoy my meat too much to really care about the animals themselves. It comes neatly packaged at the super so I dont need to think about the animal. However, I still easily make jugemental calls about peoples treatment of other animals, and people that eat animals that I think they shouldnt. I dont really care about most, its just the cute or endangered ones that get my going. I trust that there are laws / bodies to ensure the animals that I eat were treated alright before I ate them. I give $20 a year to green peace, and $50 to Sea Sheperd and sleep easy :)

I do think people are going to create to much of a strain on the natural world soon, theres just too many of us!

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The fact that religion is still so rife there alone suggests they're still living in the mid 17th century.

I dont know if serious...thats the worst call ever...

Reply #59 Posted: February 01, 2013, 10:13:45 pm
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Quote from: Super_Hori;1516636
I don't know if you could say dairy cows have a good life.

dafaq?

Get fed as much as possible so as to produce more milk. At least 2 months holiday per year (more than most humans). Sure they work 7 days a week, but only approx 4 hours a day. Spend the rest of the day eating and sleeping, without having to worry about predators or finding food. And sure, their babies are taken from them at birth, but after an hour they hardly care. After a week they have completely forgotten.

Dairy cows in NZ have a fucking exceptional life. God damn townies.

Reply #60 Posted: February 01, 2013, 10:35:00 pm

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I enjoy my meat too much to really care about the animals themselves. It comes neatly packaged at the super so I dont need to think about the animal. However, I still easily make jugemental calls about peoples treatment of other animals, and people that eat animals that I think they shouldnt. I dont really care about most, its just the cute or endangered ones that get my going.

And there we have it, If I unfairly paraphrase this a little we can get the general NZ opinion on animal welfare.

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I enjoy meat too much to care about animals and I don't have to think about it due to how nicely the meat is packed.
However when I see a cute animal or an animal I like getting killed I get very angry and call people savages like that fucking Paea Taufa guy

Also Sea Shepard can get fucked.

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Cats and Dogs are impractical to farm, because they're carnivorous, you'd have to farm other animals just to feed them in order to eat them, which is a bit pointless.

Pigs don't need to eat meat, so they are more efficent to farm.

Plus the taste super good.

Dogs are apparently quite tasty, is your stance you should only eat farmed animals?
I believe they sort of farm dogs in South Korea.

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Or just a sea farm?

But then you are still killing animals that are above Bounty Hunters smart-enough-to-not-be-eaten threshold so we have to make them stupid using genetic modification and then setup a sea farm.
Then we are sweet.
Last Edit: February 01, 2013, 11:03:56 pm by Bell

Reply #61 Posted: February 01, 2013, 10:47:31 pm

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Quote from: Spacemonkey;1516640
Cats and Dogs are impractical to farm, because they're carnivorous, you'd have to farm other animals just to feed them in order to eat them, which is a bit pointless.

Pigs don't need to eat meat, so they are more efficent to farm.

Plus the taste super good.

Dogs are apparently quite tasty, is your stance you should only eat farmed animals?
I believe they sort of factory farm dogs in South Korea.

Reply #62 Posted: February 01, 2013, 10:54:01 pm

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Or just a sea farm?

But then you are still killing animals that are above Bounty Hunters smart-enough-to-not-be-eaten threshold so we have to make them stupid using genetic modification and then setup a sea farm.
Then we are sweet.

Reply #63 Posted: February 01, 2013, 10:57:14 pm

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Cats and Dogs are impractical to farm, because they're carnivorous

Not exactly correct here. Dogs are not carnivorous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_Poi_Dog
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The Hawaiian Poi Dog or ʻīlio (ʻīlio mākuʻe for brown individuals) is an extinct breed of pariah dog from Hawaiʻi which was used by Native Hawaiians as a spiritual protector of children and as a source of food.

It is still legal to eat your own dog in Hawai'i
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Dogs are apparently quite tasty, is your stance you should only eat farmed animals?
I believe they sort of farm dogs in South Korea.

Dog is one of the few meats I have not eaten yet.

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Its the Japanese. See either way you look at it theyre smart. Why go out and spend millions on big ships and crew to get whales and dolpins only to be chased around the sea by a bunch of hyped up nappie headed greenpeace hippies when they could simply flick the islanders a fraction of that cost and get THEM to do the dirty bit.

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Quote from: Spacemonkey;1516640
Cats and Dogs are impractical to farm, because they're carnivorous, you'd have to farm other animals just to feed them in order to eat them, which is a bit pointless.

Pigs don't need to eat meat, so they are more efficent to farm.

Plus the taste super good.

They sure do

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I only eat 'Tuna safe' Dolphin. I'm a good guy like that.

Someone has to stand up for the beautiful Tunas.

Reply #67 Posted: February 02, 2013, 04:30:33 pm

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I only eat 'Tuna safe' Dolphin. I'm a good guy like that.

Someone has to stand up for the beautiful Tunas.




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Dolphins are pretty smart, cows arent and taste good...

Kelly says the group was just settling in to view the magnificent giant Mantas when they saw a Bottlenose dolphin swimming toward them.

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Reply #71 Posted: February 06, 2013, 02:53:27 pm
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TBH I thought the same thing.

Reply #72 Posted: February 06, 2013, 03:17:36 pm

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Because you are sick people.

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I bet dophins rode in on the tsunami and headbutted those islanders to death.

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