How long have they been hunting dolphins?I bet it has been sustainable for them for along time.Bottle nosed dolphins are also not endangered, so I think this is more to do with your feelings that dolphins are cool than anything else. If some villagers killed 3000 wild boar would you give a shit?
We seem to justify farming/killing in bulk by removing their ability to have a life in the first place.
well we carefully control the birth and death rate of livestock, and they're isolated in a farm, soooo if thry made a sea farm for whales and dolphins that'd be great, totally impractical but that's not my problem.
Is it any better preventing extinction if all that is left are animals we "isolate in a farm" and kill as we please?
compared to a life without us, yes.imagine a person who spent every waking hour of the day making sure you were constantly standing on food, and you had no disease, no predators, big wide open spaces to wander and eat through....
big wide open spaces to wander and eat through....
Imagine a life where the moment you are born you are kept in a cage, until the day you die.
Of course it is. Being alive is better then being extinct.Lot's of animals are killed for food by other animals, that is how nature works. However the share number of humans on this planet requires us to be reasonable with our sources of food, i.e Farming, least we run out.
You're introducing the subject of caged farming into this. Which is a seprate discussion.
If all humans were tied up from birth and tortured constantly, would that still be better than extinction?
I didn't see anyone say this was only relating to wide open-space farming? Particularly in the posts I quoted/responded to.
This is a thread about dolphins.Why are you discussing cage farming?
Not much different to our prisons then?Imagine a life where the moment you are born you are kept in a cage, until the day you die.
If all humans were tied up from birth and tortured constantly, would that still be better than extinction?Yes that is how nature works, are you saying how we farm animals is "how nature works"?
If this is a thread about solely dolphins, why did BH mention "imagine a person who spent every waking hour of the day making sure you were constantly standing on food, and you had no disease, no predators, big wide open spaces to wander and eat through".Does that apply to dolphins? You're not really adding anything here, and I'm obviously not talking to you anyhow.
Dolphins are pretty smart, cows arent and taste good...Kelly says the group was just settling in to view the magnificent giant Mantas when they saw a Bottlenose dolphin swimming toward them. While that in itself was not unusual, what caught the diver's attention was the mammal's unusual squeal. As the dolphin came close and almost pushed itself onto Kelly, he realized that it was in distress, thanks to a fishing line that had entangled around it, and was asking for help!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro4Wil09FnI
The farming discussion stemmed from bell pointing out my ethical contradiction in that I view farming as ok, but not the slaughter of dolphins, where savages might view slaughter of dolphins as ok, but not farming. However his point is poorly contrived in that farming is highly controlled, and that tradition for the sake of tradition in this modern global world we live is hardly a good point to carry on doing something, especially when things have changed as I pointed out in a post above.
But pigs are smart. You can train them like dogs.
Nope, I used 2 examples of animals that we kill on mass that have no problem with.I picked lamb and pigs because lambs are babies, we kill and celebrate the taste of babies.And I picked pigs as a counter to any dolphins are smart argument because pigs are pretty damn smart, you decided that I was talking about farming specifically and then everyone came up with great arguments about why farming is ok and hunting wild animals is not.By the way on that note, how do you feel about fishing in general? You only ever eat farmed fish right? Not that other fish caught from trawling the oceans that kills god know how many dolphins you would never do that!The fact you refer to other cultures as savages is pretty telling, I am certain that your whole problem here boils down to "I believe you shouldn't eat dolphins or Whales because they are cool animals" it's not about them being endangered and you are worried about them going extinct because they aren't at risk especially not from villagers.I'm pretty sure if you were a village fisherman that and some white dude one day came along and told you that oh you shouldn't do that because it's bad you would tell him to get fucked.
