new tv - sony good?

[Kopfjaeger]

hmmm still a  fan of my Samsung Series 6 but can't easily get office pc to stream to it unless files are dumped into the Public videos folder on the OS drive.  another plus is that i can run optical out from the tv to the av receiver.

i'm agreeing with Osiris, 200MHz refresh sounds dam sexy

[dirtyape]

200hz refresh is just marketing bullshit and means fuck all, fact is that it only accepts a input of 50-60hz and then it interpolates frames using software - just the same as all the other tv's that claim anything over 60hz. Therefore the smoothness of the refresh rests solely on the frame interpolation algorithm. If your tv is shit then playback will be slow and lagged which is okay for movies, but then if you are gaming you will have to turn it off because the controller response latency is too high for gaming. This is why TV's have "Game mode" to turn off all that shit. Or something like that. Meh.

[Xenolightning]

fact is that it only accepts a input of 50-60hz

Very factual..? Where did you make this up from?

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

Very factual..? Where did you make this up from?

It's true.

Why design a TV to accept input greater then 60Hz (which would add to the price) when the majority of content is only 60Hz at most (All movies and broadcast TV).

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2379206,00.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refresh_rate#Televisions

[Xenolightning]

It's true.

Why design a TV to accept input greater then 60Hz (which would add to the price) when the majority of content is only 60Hz at most (All movies and broadcast TV).

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2379206,00.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refresh_rate#Televisions

Nothing in there says they don't accept 120Hz+ input. I must also say there is nothing saying they support 120Hz+ input.

HDMI 1.4b supports 120Hz, so the ability already exists to push past that 60Hz barrier, I guess it's just up to the TV.

Seems silly to limit yourself to 60Hz, when there is a possibility to "future proof" for pittance.

[deanox]

I would talk to the salesman at JB Hifi, they are professionals and know their stuff!

[Xenolightning]

I would talk to the salesman at JB Hifi, they are professionals and know their stuff!

That's a fun game. There's also "Spot the Geek" at Dicksmith, can provide hours of entertainment if you do it right.

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

Nothing in there says they don't accept 120Hz+ input. I must also say there is nothing saying they support 120Hz+ input.

HDMI 1.4b supports 120Hz, so the ability already exists to push past that 60Hz barrier, I guess it's just up to the TV.

Seems silly to limit yourself to 60Hz, when there is a possibility to "future proof" for pittance.

Seems silly to "future proof" a TV.

They'd rather you buy a new one.

[Retardobot]

That's a fun game. There's also "Spot the Geek" at Dicksmith, can provide hours of entertainment if you do it right.

It'd be easier to find a geek with spots at DSE.

[dirtyape]

Very factual..? Where did you make this up from?

Yes, literally true infact. Perhaps you should read about the 1080p spec http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p. And then perhaps you should look at the input signals that the TV supports from it's spec sheet:

480/60i, 480/60p, 576/50i, 576/50p, 720/50p, 720/60p, 1080/50i, 1080/60i; 720/24p, 720/30p, 1080/24p, 1080/30p (HDMI™ only); 1080/50p, 1080/60p (HDMI™ / Component)

Notice anything about those? The max it supports is 1080/60p. That's a 60hz signal.

As I said, the frames are interpolated. The Sony TV uses Motionflow™ XR 400 for frame interpolation, from the Sony TV's spec sheet:

Motionflow™ technology actually creates additional pictures which inserts into fast-moving sequences to effectively double the number of pictures, or frames, that make up the sequence. This improves motion performance so that fast actions appear clearer, sharper, and smoother.

 

Nothing in there says they don't accept 120Hz+ input. I must also say there is nothing saying they support 120Hz+ input.

HDMI 1.4b supports 120Hz, so the ability already exists to push past that 60Hz barrier, I guess it's just up to the TV.

Seems silly to limit yourself to 60Hz, when there is a possibility to "future proof" for pittance.

So what? A cable spec does not define a devices capabilities.
 

I would talk to the salesman at JB Hifi, they are professionals and know their stuff!

Sure they do, especially when they try and sell you a $400 HDMI cable - WITH GOLD PLATED CONNECTORS!!! Salesmen in general only half know what they are talking about. Sometimes it's fun to act dumb and see what kind of BS they can come up with by asking them technical questions. They should get target in on that shit it would be hilarious. Mind you some of them are okay, but they certainly are not technicians.

[Xenolightning]

Yes, literally true infact. Perhaps you should read about the 1080p spec http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p.

Tells me to read 1080p Spec. Links to wikipedia.

O_O

Wikipedia != specification document. If you are relying on wikipedia for your information, I would advise against it. It's good for exploring references, and not much more.

Not to mention there is no "specification" as such. 1080p is just a shorthand for the first line in "your" wikipedia entry.

And then perhaps you should look at the input signals that the TV supports from it's spec sheet:

480/60i, 480/60p, 576/50i, 576/50p, 720/50p, 720/60p, 1080/50i, 1080/60i; 720/24p, 720/30p, 1080/24p, 1080/30p (HDMI™ only); 1080/50p, 1080/60p (HDMI™ / Component)

Notice anything about those? The max it supports is 1080/60p. That's a 60hz signal.

As I said, the frames are interpolated. The Sony TV uses Motionflow™ XR 400 for frame interpolation, from the Sony TV's spec sheet:

I can only assume this is correct. I don't know what TV your are referring to, but in the scenario you have provided I agree with you. The suspect TV only supports a 60Hz input, therefore any extra advertised frames will be interpolated.
 

So what? A cable spec does not define a devices capabilities.

Can you read, or wood y00 liek me 2 talk lyk dis? I was referring to no other limiting factors except for the TV input:

HDMI 1.4b supports 120Hz, so the ability already exists to push past that 60Hz barrier, I guess it's just up to the TV.

To do a full circle. I bring it back to:

...fact is that it only accepts a input of 50-60hz...

which should really be

...fact is that if it only accepts a input of 50-60hz...

[dirtyape]

Tells me to read 1080p Spec. Links to wikipedia.

O_O

Wikipedia != specification document. If you are relying on wikipedia for your information, I would advise against it. It's good for exploring references, and not much more.

Not to mention there is no "specification" as such. 1080p is just a shorthand for the first line in "your" wikipedia entry.


I can only assume this is correct. I don't know what TV your are referring to, but in the scenario you have provided I agree with you. The suspect TV only supports a 60Hz input, therefore any extra advertised frames will be interpolated.
 

Can you read, or wood y00 liek me 2 talk lyk dis? I was referring to no other limiting factors except for the TV input:




To do a full circle. I bring it back to:

which should really be

Oh fuck you Xeno, believe what you want.

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

So in conclusion, DirtyApe was right all along.

Pretty much all modern consumer TV's only accept a max of 60Hz.


Sony clearly explain 'Motionflow(TM)' on the spec sheets on thier website.

Samsung has the same thing. They call it 'Clear Motion Rate'

Out of the 2 the Sony is far superior. What do you want from the TV?

The Sony is 200hz compared to the 50hz Samsung.

Where did these numbers even come from?

[Xenolightning]

The lack of a direct quote in dirtyapes' initial statement, inferred a loss of context. I was unsure as to what TV he was referring to, as a result it appeared his facts applied to all TV's.

Which is where Spacemonkey kindly pointed out, that most (but not all) consumer TV's only accept 60Hz input signals.

For those TV's that meet the requirements..

I'm right, and it would be worth getting a TV that supported a higher refresh rate.

[Apostrophe Spacemonkey]

I'm right, and it would be worth getting a TV that supported a higher refresh rate.

Does such a one exist?

[dirtyape]

Does such a one exist?

No. I don't think so. Unless someone wants to identify one that does.

[mycoolcar]

Probably going with the Sony EX750 then.

Thanks.

[Arnifix]

Probably going with the Sony EX750 then.

Thanks.

You gonna enjoy.

[.osiRiS]

Probably going with the Sony EX750 then.

Thanks.

Good luck finding one I'll see if I can source it for you anyway/

[mycoolcar]

Erm, why are they hard to find? Because they are new? I noticed there is no stock on sony's site...

[.osiRiS]

They are one year old but not a common size to get that spec in.

[Zenith]

Without looking too deep the Sony is better, Edge lit LED so thinner.
Samsung has a "Clear motion rate" of 100 = 50Hz + software
Sony has Motion flow XR400 which is either 100HZ or 200Hz + software
They can flicker backlighting and crap like that (don't know about that model) to try and solve the motion blur problem of the LED while creating a "soap opera effect" where the motion in the picture looks like the filming in a soap opera.

Sony is 3d so should have a higher native frame rate.

But look at the other things like how many USB/HDMI, do you want component or RGB for plugging existing stuff into etc.  Also input lag if you used it for Gaming

Just take chain saw to the cabinet and by a 50" TV

(My Sony LCD shat itself after 4 or 5 years, just got a Samsung 50" 5000 series mainly because it was on special and came with a free Xbox - is okay, lower range so doesn't upscale SD images well. )

[mycoolcar]

Sad Panda.

Not in stock. Have been offered a KDL32EX650 instead. Lower spec by the looks of it.

 http://www.sony.lv/product/tv-80-32-lcd/kdl-32ex650/technical-specifications#tab

Unsure what do to now.

[Growler]

get a perm

[mycoolcar]

My beard is permed.