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Fucking jesus man. HTML and CSS.

Intense.

For someone who has never played with it/tried actually using it before. Pretty cool though how that all works.

Reply #50 Posted: March 15, 2014, 12:47:30 pm
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Just did the first lesson :D

I'm now a webmaster and can HTML in my sleep.

Hire me - 6 figures and we can talk.

This is all web developers.

That was half my jibe of my suggestion. It doesn't take much to be better than 80% of those already out there.

Speaking of HTML+CSS, who fucked up the shit out of the new/edit post screen?

Reply #51 Posted: March 15, 2014, 12:51:38 pm
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Fucking jesus man. HTML and CSS.

Intense.

For someone who has never played with it/tried actually using it before. Pretty cool though how that all works.

Yeah. They're neat little beasties.
But it's important to remember they're declaritive, and should be treated as such.

Declaritive means there's no real logic in there, not "if this then do this, otherwise do something else" sorta business. For that you have Javascript and server side scripting languages (like PHP).

Get into SilverStripe (probably a bit deep to start at PHP just yet) and you'll be in the realm of every government department, as that's what the CWP runs on. If you can manage to do stuff with SS, you could probably find work pretty easy in Wellington.

Just remember. Coding isn't hard. It's just logic in a specific syntax. Just gotta stick at it until you're comfortable.
Then you can get into more advanced stuff like patterns, etc. But don't worry about that yet.

The important thing is whether or not you enjoy it :)

You're still building stuff, it's just more virtual with a different set of obstacles (eg. computer representation of a problem instead of physics getting in the way of the latest neat architecture thing).
So with a good mind and a passion for building shit, you'll go far. So long as you enjoy it :>
Last Edit: March 15, 2014, 12:59:37 pm by Pyromanik

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I am thoroughly enjoying it so far :)

Just a little overwhelming when you think "Ah! I see how that works, got it", and then the next page it's like "Now do this and this and this"... And my brain is all "wait, what did i just do to do that?" Haha, I guess its all just repetition.

I figure HTML/CSS is a good starting point.

Reply #53 Posted: March 15, 2014, 01:31:12 pm
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Just remember. Coding isn't hard. It's just logic in a specific syntax. Just gotta stick at it until you're comfortable.
Then you can get into more advanced stuff like patterns, etc. But don't worry about that yet.


This. So this.

Also google.

Reply #54 Posted: March 15, 2014, 01:44:16 pm
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First real wall I've hit... I can't quite follow this...

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Remember, you can reach an element that is a child of another element like this:

div div p { /* Some CSS */ }

where in this case, we'd be grabbing any <p> that is nested somewhere inside a <div> that is nested somewhere inside another <div>. If you want to grab direct children—that is, an element that is directly nested inside another element, with no elements in between—you can use the > symbol, like so:

div > p { /* Some CSS */ }

This only grabs <p>s that are nested directly inside of <div>s; it won't grab any paragraphs that are, say, nested inside lists that are in turn nested inside <div>s.

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<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
   <head>
      <link type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" href="stylesheet.css"/>
      <title>Ultimate Text Challenge</title>
   </head>
   <body>
      <p>Introduction: Cascading with CSS</p>
      <div>
         <p>Synopsis: When you set a property of a selector like 'p' to a certain value, that value applies to <em>all</em> p tags.
         If, however, you change that same property to a different value for a more specific instance of p,
         that change will <em>override</em> the 'general rule'.
         </p>
         <ul>
            <li><p>If you say p { font-family: Garamond}, all 'p's will have the font Garamond.</p></li>
            <li><p>BUT if you say li p {font-family: Verdana}, 'p's outside of 'li's will be
                  in Garamond, and 'p's INSIDE 'li's will be in Verdana.
            </p></li>
            <li><p>The more specific your selectors are, the higher importance CSS gives to the styling you apply!</p></li>
         </ul>
      </div>
      <p>Summary: Greater specificity makes CSS prioritize that particular styling.</p>
   </body>
</html>

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/*Add your CSS below!*/
p {
    font-family: Garamond;
}

body p {
    font-weight: bold;
}

ul li {
    color: #000000;
}

li p {
    text-decoration: underline;
    color: #00000;
}


div p {
    color: #7ac5cd;
}

...That CSS is all wrong, right?

It's telling me to do this,

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Make all <p> tags have a font-family of Garamond. (Do NOT use the universal selector for this! There's a better way; see the Hint for help.)

Make the introduction paragraph and the summary paragraph have a font-weight of bold (this is a new property for you, but it works just like the others you've learned).

Make the synopsis paragraph have the color #7AC5CD.

Make the paragraphs in the unordered list have the color #000000 and text-decoration underline.

The error I get is

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Oops, try again. Did you remember to make the paragraphs inside <li> tags have color #000000;?

But I thought

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li p {
    text-decoration: underline;
    color: #00000;

Was that?
Last Edit: March 15, 2014, 03:34:38 pm by swindle

Reply #55 Posted: March 15, 2014, 03:21:02 pm
If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

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Just did the first lesson :D

I'm now a webmaster and can HTML in my sleep.

Hire me - 6 figures and we can talk.

This is all web developers.

That was half my jibe of my suggestion. It doesn't take much to be better than 80% of those already out there.
I used to teach HTML 5 and CSS
After two days swindle is doing better than 80% of my class did after six months
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Make the paragraphs in the unordered list have the color #000000 and text-decoration underline.

The error I get is

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Oops, try again. Did you remember to make the paragraphs inside <li> tags have color #000000;?

But I thought

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li p {
    text-decoration: underline;
    color: #00000;

Was that?
It requires SIX (6) zeroes. you only have five. When in doubt: Cut and Paste requested variables :)
Oh yeah, and ALWAYS Draw before you make a Wepbage. The 20% of students who did well had already drawn up a picture of what they wanted, and even if their page didnt work properly it was easy to fix because the location of the problems were easy to find from the picture.
Last Edit: March 15, 2014, 03:44:58 pm by Tiwaking!

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It's still not working :(

i don't understand this > here.

So why would you "div > p" and not just "div p"? It's selecting something inside something, right?

Reply #57 Posted: March 15, 2014, 04:24:18 pm
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It's still not working :(

i don't understand this > here.

So why would you "div > p" and not just "div p"? It's selecting something inside something, right?
It is a shortcut method that lets you access the first nested element directly.
Basically means:
"For any <div> find first <p> as long as there are no other elements in between"
for example: <div><p>this is a paragraph</p></div>
Would be affected by the stylesheet BUT
<div><b><p>this is a paragraph</p></b></div>
Would not be
I have never used it. It is stupid

And I am not used to seeing stylesheets without classes. Classes make life easier

edit: Incidentally
Code: [Select]
ul li p {
    text-decoration: underline;
    color: #000000;
}
But that is getting really messy (screenshot is from your original code)
Last Edit: March 15, 2014, 04:44:15 pm by Tiwaking!

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FFS Swindle, you're a plumber not some kind of computer geek.

Only people like Spacemonkey make a decent living doing coding and stuff.

Stick to what you know, or become a drainlayer or something.

You're too fucking dumb to start computating.

Reply #59 Posted: March 15, 2014, 05:31:43 pm

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Zarkov, with the blatant troll.

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FFS Swindle, you're a plumber not some kind of computer geek.

Only people like Spacemonkey make a decent living doing coding and stuff.

Stick to what you know, or become a drainlayer or something.

You're too fucking dumb to start computating.

*throws macbook out window*

Reply #61 Posted: March 15, 2014, 06:15:43 pm
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Make the introduction paragraph and the summary paragraph have a font-weight of bold

I need the CSS syntax(is that the right word?) for thae above, using this -

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<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
   <head>
      <link type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" href="stylesheet.css"/>
      <title>Ultimate Text Challenge</title>
   </head>
   <body>
      <p>Introduction: Cascading with CSS</p>
      <div>
         <p>Synopsis: When you set a property of a selector like 'p' to a certain value, that value applies to <em>all</em> p tags.
         If, however, you change that same property to a different value for a more specific instance of p,
         that change will <em>override</em> the 'general rule'.
         </p>
         <ul>
            <li><p>If you say p { font-family: Garamond}, all 'p's will have the font Garamond.</p></li>
            <li><p>BUT if you say li p {font-family: Verdana}, 'p's outside of 'li's will be
                  in Garamond, and 'p's INSIDE 'li's will be in Verdana.
            </p></li>
            <li><p>The more specific your selectors are, the higher importance CSS gives to the styling you apply!</p></li>
         </ul>
      </div>
      <p>Summary: Greater specificity makes CSS prioritize that particular styling.</p>
   </body>
</html>

Anyone wanna help me out here? xoxo

Reply #62 Posted: March 15, 2014, 06:17:36 pm
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div > p{
font-weight: bold;
color: #770000;
}

Makes the introduction paragraph red.

p{
font-weight: bold;
color: #770000;
}
Makes the summary paragraph red
*throws macbook out window*
This and reddit make me wonder why I am helping you at all
Last Edit: March 15, 2014, 07:41:14 pm by Tiwaking!

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Wrote me a chrome extension/app thingy today, feel awesome. Even if it took me several hours to figure out how to open a new window with no title bar and transparent.


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I figure HTML/CSS is a good starting point.

It is.
There are people who only do this. 'front end devs' they call themselves.
About everything a user sees and interacts with directly is in this realm. How it works in the background is for someone else. Eg. while a designer says 'black with logo at the top, then 50 shades of (bright) grey beneath it, with a sprinkling of red for sex appeal", the front end dev is the one that turns the design into what we see here.

The back end bit is the one that handles the actual posting, threads, etc. More 'proper' (traditional - logic) based programming.

Front end is easy to do, but requires a bit of not being stupid to master. Thus it's easy to learn, and plenty of jobs. And if you get the second half of that sentence (not being stupid), you'll do well. As I say, there are a shit load of folk out there doing it 'so it works', not so it works well. If you can get the well part in there, you'll be set :)
Last Edit: March 15, 2014, 09:00:28 pm by Pyromanik

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It's still not working :(

i don't understand this > here.

So why would you "div > p" and not just "div p"? It's selecting something inside something, right?


many moons ago when I was learning, this page helped catapult me from "oh yup, I can do this..." to "Fuckoff, I got this."
It's most fantastic because it has pictures.
An HTML document forms a 'tree' structure, and selectors are easier to understand if you can visualise this. Which this page does awesomely.
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/selectutorial/

And don't worry, I've taught trained professionals about the more 'advanced' selectors (such as > and + ) before.
(and the answer is http://css.maxdesign.com.au/selectutorial/selectors_child.htm )

So the only thing to watch out for there is (basically nothing because backwards compatibility) that the page is old, and is geared around CSS 2.1, we're up to 3 now... but 3 basically adds stuff, not so much changing or removing stuff that already worked. So you'll be right :>
The basics are all the same :D
Last Edit: March 15, 2014, 09:10:11 pm by Pyromanik

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And don't worry, I've taught trained professionals about the more 'advanced' selectors (such as > and + ) before.
(and the answer is http://css.maxdesign.com.au/selectutorial/selectors_child.htm )
If anyone told me to use those selectors I would probably punch them for being so fscking stupid
Pun intended

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Ahh Twia.
In the real world they're very helpful. Probably not so useful with Java :P

But you do raise a valid point. If one finds themselves typing out something like
div div > p span strong.ohyeah {...}
Then yeah, selector structure for the CSS document should probably be rearranged to make sense.
Lest one find themselves in an !important life lesson (aka mess).

Classes are handy, sure. But like ID selectors they should not be slapped around all over the show, or you'll end up with some specificity conflicts or massive selector lines to override something equally as unsightly, etc.

But that's experience talking.
At the moment it's just important that swindle learns what's out there, what it means, what it's for, how to use it & have fun. Learning about all the other stuff like structure and 'patterns' (if that's even a thing with CSS like half the internet seems to claim) can some later.
Otherwise it'd be like going to work as a plumber with every tool except a wrench, or something.
Which would present its own set of problems, which causes frustration, leading to 'this is shit' kinda thinking. If you're gonna give something a go, you gotta know you're experiencing the whole of it so you can judge it soundly :> (unless of course it's extreme shit from the outset, like that time I tried wordderp :/)
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Ahh Twia.
In the real world they're very helpful. Probably not so useful with Java :P

But you do raise a valid point. If one finds themselves typing out something like
div div > p span strong.ohyeah {...}
Then yeah, selector structure for the CSS document should probably be rearranged to make sense.
Lest one find themselves in an !important life lesson (aka mess).
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And lists everything that's wrong with the internet as supported systems.

<img src="NOPE.jpg" alt="wholey fuck nope." />

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And lists everything that's wrong with the internet as supported systems.

<img src="NOPE.jpg" alt="wholey fuck nope." />
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You are only doing it right if you do it half-arsed

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Pyro just gets mad at stuff that makes his job looks easy.

That's why he poo poos Wordpress as well.

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haha, I know you're trolling, but true fact: wordderp makes my job hard (if I'm forced to use it).
But yeh, web dev (esp. frontend) is a nice cruisy job if you're not braindead.

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haha, I know you're trolling, but true fact: wordderp makes my job hard (if I'm forced to use it).
But yeh, web dev (esp. frontend) is a nice cruisy job if you're not braindead.

I hate things that let you do lots of normal things easily, but anything useful or interesting is exponentially more difficult.

You can make a drop down box by clicking and dragging!

You can make the drop down box style a, or style b.

Style a has x functionality. Style b has y functionality.

But I want style a with y functionality....

NO STYLE A HAVE X FUNCTIONAL OTHERWISE FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

Story of my summer.

Reply #74 Posted: March 16, 2014, 01:24:45 am
"We are the majority we arent the tards, the people we pick on are." -Luse_K